--- "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glen Mazza wrote: > > Haroon Rafique wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday at 12:54pm, JB=>Jay Burgess > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> JB> The following comments are not intended to be > a personal attack on > >> JB> anyone. However, I can't stand by and watch > George speak my mind > >> for JB> me, word for word, and not chime in and > say "I agree!". Plus, > >> I think JB> if you took a poll, you'd find he > speaks for a large > >> number of list JB> subcribers. > >> > >> Yes Jay, other members have that feeling too. If > we take a look at the > >> recent past, there are various examples of > rudeness, impropriety and > >> lack of respect. > > > > Well, my sympathies are more with the Tomcat > developer team, given the > > abuse they incur from certain unfortunate > individuals in the user > > community. > > You mean by the same unfortunate individuals who > like to abuse their > checkout clerk, bank teller and doctor's > receptionist? Odd, they tend > to excuse themselves that they are paying for that > privilage; Funny > I don't recall seeing a donation check from them to > the ASF. > > Bill I thought about not even writing this. Then I thought about not even submitting it. Don't take it personally how ever it hits anyone. I think it's fair.
I think it runs both ways. I think most of the Tomcat developers are really great. I think an unnamed developer could learn how to be a little nicer. I think a good number of users could as well. There is no good excuse for simply being mean and nasty for users nor developers. Without mentioning any names: If one could see a list of what contracts and monetary connections are made through the Apache project for certain members they would see some things a little differently, and I do not mean that any of the developers deserve to be yelled at or belittled. For instance, I'm sure a few JBoss customers might find a couple of bugs and comments associated with them a little disturbing. I would imagine a few other commercial customers of other companies using projects based on Tomcat would as well. This based on my own experiences with aiding in explaining a couple of issues found in Tomcat. Some things do not require arguing about. They simply need to be looked at and egos need not get in the way. So, not to kick up the flames, just being real; I don't think it is as black and white as some people would like to believe in relation to volunteering hours to the project vs being compensated. The same can be said about Eclipse, Netbeans, etc. Many projects today have incorporated corporate interests into their ranks (whether it's admitted or not). Companies employ people to work on these projects, so they aren't doing it for free. Others are contributing their time to also utilize others time and selling products based on these open source projects and making a good amount of money doing so. Then some 3rd party softwares based on these solutions are bought by users. The company they purchased their software from spends money in donations or contributes developers to the projects. Money = Time and Time = Money. Lets face it, if these companies were not making money from from these open source projects they would not be contributing. They like the collective free time and work, which is also why many contribute to projects. Others contribute in their free time one way or another mostly just for fun. Anyways, many thanks to the Tomcat developers. I think almost every one of them are really great guys. Wade --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
