David,

On 3/26/22 14:13, David Blevins wrote:
I've never had the bravery to ask

Why the heck not?

but would there be some willingness to consider adding a mention of
TomEE on the Tomcat website?

I'm up for it. I can't imagine anyone on the Tomcat PMC would have any
problem with this. Anyone?

Any sign of pushback and I'll happily drop -- it's far more important
to maintain good will, respect boundaries and keep things friendly.
If there was some warmness to the idea, perhaps something very subtle
at the bottom of the Tomcat description on the front page, "For
distributions of Tomcat that contain Jakarta REST, Jakarta CDI,
Jakarta Enterprise Beans (EJB) and similar specifications see Apache
TomEE."
I guess the question would be "where is the best place to put this?" Does TomEE have versions that track Tomcat versions in any way? Or do you just use whatever version is "best at the time of packaging" or whatever?

For example, relegating TomEE to the "download" page(s) would mean that someone would have to know they want to download a specific Tomcat version, then decide at the last second that they instead want TomEE. If you don't release new versions every month (ish, like we do), then we could easily get out of sync.

I'm thinking that maybe what we should do it put TomEE on the "Which version?" page (https://tomcat.apache.org/whichversion.html). Below the grid of spec versions and associated Tomcat versions, we could put a heading which says something along the lines of "Jakarta Foo + Bar are packaged with TomEE" and just throw the user over to whatever page at TomEE makes the most sense.

My only concern would be to properly inform users what is happening. I'm an Eclipse user and any time I have to download a new version from their web site I have to re-learn the differences between "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers" and "Eclipse IDE for Java and DSL Developers" and "Eclipse IDE for Enterprise Java and Web Developers" and I guess whatever the hell Thelia is, now.

I wouldn't want anyone to inadvertently install TomEE if all they really want is Tomcat or "only" install Tomcat when they need the additional features and APIs that TomEE provides. Perhaps just a reference to here would be sufficient: https://tomee.apache.org/comparison.html

-chris

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