Ok, let me take a look at it tomorrow, I'll see what I can do

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 9:06 PM David Blevins <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Excellent.
>
> I've just updated the pom generation code to create all the "-api"
> modules, published snapshots, and tried it out on a couple examples:
>
>  TomEE WebProfile example
>  -
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/commit/f0d09e3438036e32b37048968538c38c49ba7d14
>
>  TomEE MicroProfile example
>  -
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/commit/97f7e4b5038216891b711506689e144d4eae47ae
>
> Now we just need help updating all the examples like this.
>
> Vicente, would you be open to updating the examples that broke after the
> CXF upgrade?  Looks like most of them are web service examples, so the new
> tomee-plus-api and tomee-plus dependencies would probably work.
>
>  - https://builds.apache.org/job/Tomee/job/master-build-full/137/
>
> Anyone else interested in helping out?
>
>
>
> -David
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Zowalla, Richard <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > thanks for the this thread!
> >
> > I like the idea of using the generated BOMs in our examples rather than
> > adding libraries by hand (and updating them all the time).
> >
> > Sometimes it will be necassary to still add some additional libs in the
> > examples, but overall it will make it easier to maintain the examples
> > (as long as we get the habit of regenerating the BOMs after library
> > updates).
> >
> > Related to the "*-api" idea: Probably yes. Would be somehow natural to
> > have an "api" and an "impl"-thing (even if it not called impl).
> >
> > I just tested it locally with one of the failing tests and it worked
> > perfectly.  So I am +1 here.
> >
> > Gruss
> > Richard
> >
> > Am Freitag, den 02.04.2021, 15:09 -0700 schrieb David Blevins:
> >> Richard mentioned some examples were broken after a recent library
> >> upgrade and I promised to start a thread on the topic as we have
> >> system issues there.
> >>
> >> One of the things that's aways bugged me and was on the "some day"
> >> list is that in our examples we are encouraging people to have to
> >> know how to put together the right dependencies to get a working
> >> container for plain unit testing.
> >>
> >> Some examples show `openejb-core` and `javaee-api`, some show
> >> `openejb-cxf-rs`, some show just `openejb-cxf`, some show `tomee-
> >> jaxrs`, some also pull in specific dependencies like `cxf-rt-rs-
> >> client`, some add a specific MicroProfile API.
> >>
> >> None of this documented anywhere, you just have to "know".  And any
> >> time we upgrade our dependencies, users must upgrade theirs.   Any
> >> time we change our excludes or mark things provided, users need to
> >> add dependencies they weren't informed they now need.  We're setting
> >> people up for failure and frustration.  Side note, this is one of the
> >> reasons I really like having the examples in the main codebase as it
> >> helps to keep us honest -- we experience the same things in our build
> >> users experience in theirs.
> >>
> >> Some months back I wrote some code that will inspect a TomEE server
> >> zip and generate a pom from it.  The poms have zero transitive
> >> dependencies, every dependency is explicitly listed and it is
> >> therefore library to library identical to the zip, but usable as a
> >> plain maven dependency.  There is one for each of our servers:
> >>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-webprofile</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-microprofile</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-plus</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-plume</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>
> >> I recommend we take this opportunity to go through all the examples
> >> and replace the use of individual TomEE dependencies in favor of one
> >> of the dependencies above.  Once we've done that, the odds of our
> >> users or our examples being affected by library changes drops
> >> significantly.
> >>
> >> In writing this, the one gap I see is that we probably want an
> >> equivalent API pom for each server dist.  Our examples tend to have
> >> javaee-api marked as scope `provided` and the server jars marked with
> >> scope `test` so code in `src/main/java` isn't depending on our
> >> internals.  We could have an additional "api" pom that contains the
> >> javaee-api jar, all microprofile-*.jar api jars and any API jars we
> >> provide ourselves (at the moment that's just openejb-api.jar).
> >>
> >> That might give us examples that look like this in practice:
> >>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-microprofile-api</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>        <scope>provided</scope>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>      <dependency>
> >>        <groupId>org.apache.tomee.bom</groupId>
> >>        <artifactId>tomee-microprofile</artifactId>
> >>        <version>8.0.7-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>        <scope>test</scope>
> >>      </dependency>
> >>
> >> It's tempting to think, "maybe the second dependency should have an
> >> 'impl' suffix?"  I asked myself, thought through it and came out on
> >> the "no" side.  There will be people who just want the one dependency
> >> that has everything.  Specifically anyone using TomEE in an embedded
> >> fashion, as plain libraries, or aiming to create an uber jar.  It's
> >> only people who intend to deploy to a TomEE zip who need/want the two
> >> differently scoped dependencies.  I also think to when I'm using
> >> Arquillian and there is an "api" and "impl" jar for literally
> >> everything and I forget to add one or the other, things fail, and I
> >> think "seriously, I'm never going to chose a different
> >> implementation, why are you making me do this?"  It's all the more
> >> frustrating as you know darn well the impl dep needs a very specific
> >> version of that api dep -- you can't just use an older or newer api
> >> version and expect things to work.  Therefore I think having an
> >> "everything" dep and an "apis-only" dep is just fine.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
>
>

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