HashiCorp Vault and/or Consul is the only other primary contender I think we've 
had proposed, but I'm +1/+1 as well.

Jonathan G

On 12/7/20, 3:58 PM, "Rawlin Peters" <raw...@apache.org> wrote:

    Yes, I agree with the plugin interface as well, but that is what I was
    hoping to defer to a follow-up thread, preferably with a rough draft
    of a blueprint in hand. First, I just want to get an official
    consensus on PostgreSQL (in this case as the _main_ plugin
    implementation).

    - Rawlin

    On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:24 PM Robert O Butts <r...@apache.org> wrote:
    >
    > +1 and +1 to what @neuman said. I'd vote this be framed more like "change
    > TO secret store to a Plugin interface, and ATC will provide a Postgres
    > Plugin."
    >
    > I'd also like to note, I believe our company has a legal requirement to
    > have a separate "secret" database, so the Postgres secret store needs to 
at
    > least have the ability to be a separate DB URL+auth than the primary TO
    > Postgres DB.
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:13 PM Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote:
    >
    > > I am +1 for using Postgres, however we should consider implementing the
    > > "secret store" functionality in such a way that people can choose to
    > > implement whatever backend they want.  I think it can be accomplished 
using
    > > the TO plugin functionality but I am sure people more familiar with the
    > > code these days would know better.  This would also provide a built in 
way
    > > to migrate from one to the other without forcing everyone to change.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:48 PM Rawlin Peters <raw...@apache.org> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Hey folks,
    > > >
    > > > I hope by now everyone can agree that we need to replace Riak (it's
    > > > been unmaintained for quite some time now). However, we might not all
    > > > agree yet on what it should be replaced with (at least not
    > > > officially). We've discussed it in threads here and there, but I'd
    > > > like to get some official consensus before we really hit the ground
    > > > running.
    > > >
    > > > I would like to propose that we replace Riak with PostgreSQL.
    > > >
    > > > Here are some of the reasons that I can think of (and have been
    > > > mentioned by others in the past) for us to use PostgreSQL:
    > > > - we all have much experience running it in production (because we
    > > > already run it for the Traffic Ops database)
    > > > - it would simplify ATC deployments by removing one more component
    > > > from the system
    > > > - it would simplify development as ATC devs are already familiar with
    > > > traditional SQL databases, and we could reuse a lot of the existing
    > > > code
    > > > - it has a healthy community of support and doesn't seem to be losing
    > > > steam anytime soon (it still remains the 2nd most popular OSS
    > > > relational database behind MySQL [1])
    > > >
    > > > I would like this thread to focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of
    > > > using PostgreSQL as a replacement for Riak. We can discuss the
    > > > low-level implementation details separately in the blueprint I will
    > > > propose as a follow-up to this discussion. Unless someone is
    > > > vehemently -1 on using PostgreSQL to replace Riak, I will take silence
    > > > as assent and move forward with the blueprint process.
    > > >
    > > > - Rawlin
    > > >
    > > > [1] 
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