Rawlin's idea of asserting the query is ordered sounds solid, this will
keep our test coverage without pinning us to a specific testing environment.

-Zach

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:10 PM Rawlin Peters <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think the intent was just to provide some kind of default ordering
> if no `orderby` query parameter was passed in the request. This was
> what TO-Perl did originally, but it was lost in the transition to Go
> at first. It was added later to get back to parity with the original
> TO-Perl version, since there were lots of APIs used by Traffic Portal
> that relied on the default ordering for usability. When the default
> ordering was lost, a lot of lists became unsorted, making them harder
> to select options from.
>
> Maybe we should remove the TO API tests that test the resulting sort
> when using (or not using) the `orderby` param, and instead make them
> unit tests that check that the expected `ORDER BY ...` clause is added
> to the resulting DB query. Then the tests are no longer
> locale-dependent, but we're still testing the expected behavior.
>
> - Rawlin
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:51 PM Zach Hoffman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > How would removing or modifying the test change our response to a user
> > saying "Sorting doesn't look right"?
> >
> > -Zach
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:48 PM ocket 8888 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > But if we test our sorting according to a certain locale, our response
> to
> > > "sorting doesn't look right" is going to be "what's your locale?"
> instead
> > > of "what's wrong?". If the behavior as tested only works in one locale,
> > > that's the only locale it supports. This is why I think tests are a
> > > statement of intent about the behavior under test. I'm fine with a
> weaker
> > > test if it better represents what we actually want.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 1:46 PM Zach Hoffman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I don't feel good about telling the community/world "this software
> only
> > > > runs on machines configured for United States-flavor English".
> > > >
> > > > We shouldn't need to tell the community/world "this software only
> runs on
> > > > machines configured for United States-flavor English," we can just
> > > document
> > > > that a specific locale is required for running the API tests.
> > > >
> > > > -Zach
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM ocket 8888 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I think the likelihood of that test passing when underlying
> > > > functionality
> > > > > *IS BROKEN* can be made acceptably low...
> > > > >
> > > > > clarification
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 1:35 PM ocket 8888 <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Currently, as some of you may have noticed, the integration
> tests for
> > > > > > Traffic Ops and its Go API client are failing on master. This is
> > > > > > (partially) because of a test that checks that the response to a
> GET
> > > > > > request to /deliveryservices at version 4.0 is sorted by XMLID
> if no
> > > > > > orderby query string parameter is provided. The way it does this
> is
> > > by
> > > > > > making the request, then sorting the returned XMLIDs, then
> comparing
> > > > the
> > > > > > actual response to the sorted list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's the problem: the ordering is done in an SQL "ORDER BY"
> clause,
> > > > > > which - besides being a different runtime - runs on ostensibly an
> > > > > entirely
> > > > > > separate system from the client/TO integration tests. If those
> two
> > > > > systems
> > > > > > aren't using the same locale, they won't sort the same set of
> strings
> > > > in
> > > > > > the same way. Specifically, right now our tests use a C locale,
> which
> > > > > sorts
> > > > > > "-" *after* "1", but the postgresql service uses en_US.utf8,
> which
> > > > sorts
> > > > > > "-" *before* "1".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the tests passing (that one, specifically, some vault
> things
> > > > are
> > > > > > still failing) after add a `COLLATE "C"` statement to the query's
> > > > "ORDER
> > > > > > BY" clause:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/trafficcontrol/pull/5957/checks?check_run_id=2878328870
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the tests failing without that extra statement:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/trafficcontrol/runs/2853688690
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now: why is this a mailing list matter? Because, all of our
> laptops
> > > are
> > > > > > using en_US.utf8, or somebody would've said something way
> earlier.
> > > And
> > > > > > every attempt I've made (in this PR:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/trafficcontrol/pull/5957) to change
> the
> > > > locale
> > > > > > in which the tests are running has failed. So adding that locale
> > > > > statement
> > > > > > will cause the tests to start failing without extra
> configuration on
> > > > > > everyone's local development machines and in every existing CI
> > > > > environment
> > > > > > besides GHA, and we apparently can't force the GHA tests to
> comply
> > > with
> > > > > our
> > > > > > existing environments (I think - if I've missed something
> somebody
> > > > please
> > > > > > let me know).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To solve this, I can think of three options:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Get rid of the test. Default ordering is undocumented, so
> nobody
> > > > > should
> > > > > > actually be relying on it.
> > > > > > 2. Change the test; the original purpose behind default ordering
> was
> > > to
> > > > > > make requests deterministic so that with the same data in TO you
> > > would
> > > > > > always get the same response. The test can't be absolutely sure
> that
> > > if
> > > > > it
> > > > > > checks N times that if it did it N+1 times the consistency
> wouldn't
> > > be
> > > > > > broken, but we can ensure that under testing conditions that
> making,
> > > > > say, 3
> > > > > > identical, subsequent requests with identical data in TO yields
> > > > identical
> > > > > > responses. It's a weaker test, but it could be said it's better
> than
> > > > > > nothing.
> > > > > > 3. Enforce a locale. If the actual order is important to us,
> then we
> > > > must
> > > > > > enforce a locale, because that defines the order. en_US.UTF-8
> seems a
> > > > > > logical choice, so that the only thing that needs to change is
> the
> > > > test.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > will mean, materially, writing our own sorting function that uses
> > > > > > en_US.UTF-8 rules to compare bytes in a string - regardless of
> the
> > > > > > execution environment's locale - and adding some documentation
> that
> > > > notes
> > > > > > that our supported environments are restricted to a specific
> locale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, I like option 2. I think our tests ought to reflect
> the
> > > > > > intended behavior, not implementation details. I think the
> likelihood
> > > > of
> > > > > > that test passing when underlying functionality can be made
> > > acceptably
> > > > > low,
> > > > > > and I think that in general the locale of a system is not
> something a
> > > > > > single piece of software running on it should dictate. I don't
> feel
> > > > good
> > > > > > about telling the community/world "this software only runs on
> > > machines
> > > > > > configured for United States-flavor English".
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

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