Hi Pierre,

Yes, I've checked that the list of PPMC members on [1] is correct.

What updates do you think should be made on [2]? I don't see a list of PPMC 
members there. On the left hand side there is a "Podling PMC (PPMC)" link under 
the heading "Podling Guides" but that's a link to general Apache information 
about PPMCs in general, so I assume you're not referring to that? The "News" 
section on the right hand side seems correct. Under "Project Info" on the right 
hand side there is a link, "Contributor Guide, list of contributors and 
committers": perhaps this is the link you're referring to? That link takes you 
to the Trafodion Contributor Guide, and on the left hand margin of that page is 
a link "Contributors" which takes us back to [1]. 

Perhaps it would be better if the "Contributor Guide, list of contributors and 
committers" link on [2] were broken into two links, one for the Contributor 
Guide, and the other labelled "Contributors, Committers and PPMC members", and 
have the latter point back to [2].

Let me know what you think,

Dave

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors

[2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/trafodion.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Smits [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation

Hi all,

Is the list of PPMC Members in https://cwiki.apache.org/ 
confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors correct?

If so, the page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/trafodion.html should be 
updated too.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Dave Birdsall <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Done! You might want to review it to make sure I did it correctly.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jin, Jian (Seth) [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:07 PM
> To: Dave Birdsall <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> My JIRA ID is sethjinjian
> I filed iCLA on 20/Oct, 2015
>
> Br,
>
> Seth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 2017年2月16日 0:25
> To: Jin, Jian (Seth) <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi Seth,
>
> I've added you.
>
> Do you have a JIRA user ID? Or a Confluence (wiki) user ID? Or an 
> apache ID (you usually don't get one of these until you become a 
> committer)? If so, let me know and I'll add them.
>
> Also, if you've filed an iCLA with Apache, send me the date of the 
> filing and I'll add that too.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jin, Jian (Seth) [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:23 PM
> To: Dave Birdsall <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Could you help to add me in contributor list, thanks.
>
> Br,
>
> Seth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 2017年2月15日 5:23
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi,
>
> I've made a pass over the contributor list at [1]. The committer and 
> PPMC information looks correct to me, except there are some committers 
> that I know have changed their affiliation and e-mail contacts. If 
> those folks would respond with their new info, I'll be glad to update 
> it. (Separately, I will attempt to contact each of them privately.)
>
> If there are contributors on this e-mail list who are not included in 
> [1] and would like to be included, please respond with your 
> information and I will be glad to add it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> I will do it later today.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zhang, Yi (Eason) [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 6:35 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> I'm not in the contributor list, someone can add me in?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Eason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 05:24
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi,
>
> I'll plan on spending some time this week bringing [1] up-to-date. I 
> know of a few changes off the top of my head. Most of it is accurate though.
>
> Diversity has always been the issue with this particular podling. Some 
> research needs to be done to freshly assess where we are on this.
>
> Beyond that issue though I personally feel we are ready for graduation.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Smits [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [DISCUSSION] Work towards graduation
>
> Hi all,
>
> Last time we checked whether we were ready to graduate was in 
> July/August 2016. Since we started incubation we have released a 
> number of times succesfully (so we can say that we have that under our belt).
>
> Our community shows a healthy interaction on our mailing list(s) and 
> through github (pull requests -947 closes, forks - 85, stars - 91, 
> watch - 25, all per today) and several presentations have been made 
> (ApacheCon/Apache BigData/other events).
>
> All in all, our reports (through the Incubator reports) to the board 
> show a podling, where its contributors act in accordance with the ASF 
> principles and is moving forward in a steady pace.
>
> And our contributors are working towards our next release..
>
> So, I believe it is time that we start working towards graduation. One 
> action we should all work at is looking at [1] and update our details (e.g.
> affiliation, e-mail address) to reflect a current situation.
>
> A major aspect regarding graduation is diversity. This is not as much 
> a point with respect to committer. But it might be perceived (by 
> Incubator voters - with binding vote - as an issue when it comes down 
> to the proposition of the intended PMC (after graduation).
>
>    - If we feel that diversity (as it is now in the PPMC, or as it will be
>    in the future PMC) will be an issue, we should invite more from a 
> different
>    flock (e.g. consider report reviewers/others).
>    - If we feel that we can successfully address IPMC concerns we, of
>    course, have nothing to worry about.
>
> To come to an end of this posting:
>
> please share your thoughts on whether we are ready to graduate
>
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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