Thanks Mirko,
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:08 PM Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Lars, > > For me it is important to understand the project's goals crystal clear. > So that we can bring in some energy in a well aligned mode even > if intensity is limited. > we (or you :) ) can shape and change the goals as well. > One of my favorite topics is still teaching and education in general and > see a huge potential in the Apache training project, if we could align it > with the training demand of the community. > > Let me comment on the current goals (from webpage): > > To sum up, the main goals for this project: > > Unfortunately, the formatting is a bit off in the next bit so I hope I'm commenting on the correct things. > - > > Develop shared material that can be used for training > Provide a documentation framework for Apache projects to create and > release training artefacts via Apache Training. > Apache Training as a project is the host for offering artefacts in a > central place and also it is the goto place for other projects so that > the > training material aspect (as in aspect oriented programming) is covered > by additional people. > => Think of a set of artefacts, starting from a quickstart guide, > developer guide, pitch deck, intro video, etc. where experts from other > domains come in and help producing such content, or just collecting > links > to existing. > => Existing content can now be linked to certain skill levels so that > learning paths emerge. > Agreed. Parts of this bit we do have covered. Especially Chris and Justin have done work on providing a framework that can be used. > - > > Cross-project > This is by nature a fundament of the Apache Training project. > Agreed > - > > Focused on Apache but also 3rd party projects where it makes sense > Maybe we should focus on Apache projects for active collaboration, but > promote generic usage by other communities. > Yeah, we see that it's hard enough to do within Apache so maybe focus on internal ones for now. > - > > Develop “labs” or “hands-on” exercises > Provide guidelines and templates and also a "test driver community" for > such tutorials and exercises. > Provide links to repositories with relevant tutorials and "bring those > artefacts" into the scope of Apache Training, rather than creating new > material from scratch. > Fokus on reusing and pointing to existing content. > - > > Develop or document an infrastructure that can be used for those labs > Let's focus on the procedure of content creation, and curation. Running > IT infrastructure for training modules > looks a bit too heavy, also from an economical perspective. > - > > Potentially develop tools to manage the material (e.g. a “slide” > repository that contains “modules” that can be easily reused and > combined) > Defining the modules, scope, skills, prerequisites and also pointers to > material is key to any training material creation project. > Instead of maintaining the artifacts of a particular Apache project, > here we should just structure the results of the experts contributions, > and > by letting them know that material is needed we can initiate the > collaboration, eventually. Example: If I find it cool to create a > tutorial > for Apache XYZ, I would go to AXYZ and create material within that > project, > but using the Apache Training templates. Next, I'd provide the material > for > review, in Apache Training people would find this material and help > improving it, even it they never had looked into AXYZ alone. What I > need in > this moment is not the AXYZ expert, but one with an Apache Training > mindset. Hence I keep the content in the AXYZ project but using > cross-project collaboration brings all projects forward, and it gives > training artefacts a home everybody finds easily. > > Does this make sense? > All of it makes sense, yes. Most of it aligns perfectly well with our initial goals. We mostly need someone to actually do the work and drive this. You can define the direction you want this project to move into yourself by just getting started. Unfortunately, that's the hardest part, especially if there are not a lot of people to help :( And I also agree with Alexis: I'd rather limit the scope and do one thing well than doing everything that we can think of. Cheers, Lars > Cheers, > Mirko > > > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Lars Francke < > [email protected]>: > > > Hi Chris, Mirko, > > > > I am now reading my mails again (as promised last time), so at least that > > works better but unfortunately that didn't translate into any action on > my > > end. > > There has also not been a lot of interest from the "outside" (Mirko and a > > few others being exceptions but it's certainly not been overwhelming). > > > > As such I'd be happy to wind this project down, unless anyone else wants > to > > step up and "take over". > > Mirko, your ideas about outreach to the projects sounds great and if > you're > > interested in getting something done please do so. > > I promise that I'll do my best in supporting you! > > > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Christofer, > > > > > > I am not sure if the goals of the project are clear to the contributors > > and > > > potential new contributors. > > > > > > From time to time I look into this project but I found it hard to > > > understand a pattern. Because all training material > > > about other Apache projects requires active knowledge about that > project > > - > > > but maybe the experts in those projects > > > are not always keen on writing training content. Hence, I think it is > > > important to get linked to all those active Apache projects, > > > and focus here in this particular project on "the Apache way of doing > > > trainings and materials" --- maybe I am a bit late to the party > > > and this has been discussed in the past. > > > > > > I think, opening towards non coders and linking people from multiple > > > projects could bring Apache Training to the next level. > > > Has this been done already in the past? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mirko > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Christofer Dutz < > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > So, we’ve missed another report. I’m not really happy with this > state. > > > > So, I would like to discuss with you, if we should give up Training > or > > > > what you folks think we should do? > > > > > > > > I personally am not happy with the way it’s currently running and > would > > > be > > > > in favor for giving it up. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > > > Müchelner Str. 23 > > > 06259 Frankleben > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > Müchelner Str. 23 > 06259 Frankleben >
