For c), you can look at the META-INF/MANIFEST.MF inside generated 
"features/equinox-manifest.jar". The classpath contains only the entries for 
the equinox launcher. To pass in the configuration (where are the bundles) to 
Equinox, use "-Dosgi.configuration.area=features/configuration".


From: ant elder 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:50 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: Command-line launcher, was: Re: svn commit: r737681 - 
/tuscany/java/sca/samples/build-common.xml





On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Raymond Feng <[email protected]> wrote:

  More comments inline.

  Thanks,
  Raymond


  From: ant elder 
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:23 AM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: Command-line launcher, was: Re: svn commit: r737681 - 
/tuscany/java/sca/samples/build-common.xml





  On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Raymond Feng <[email protected]> wrote:

    A few comments:

    1) Our distribution already contains the manifest.jar and 
equinox-manifest.jar:
        * manifest.jar has the Main-Class set to the node launcher and 
Class-Path set to the required Tuscany modules and 3rd party jars
        * equinox-manifest.jar has the Mani-Class set to the equinox node 
launcher and Class-Path set to the dependent jars for the launcher itself 
without pulling other Tuscany modules and 3rd party jars which are bundles 
under OSGi. We also have the configuration generated to list the bundles. It 
can be pointed using -Dosgi.configuration.area (system property).

    I suggest that our tuscany.bat to leverage that instead of using the 
osgi.config and default.config which require manual maintenance and ** 
classpath drags unnecessary jars. 

    2) Let's use -<option> instead of positional arguments. For example,

    tuscany -osgi contrib

    3) We should allow the deployment composite to be used to launch the node, 
for example

    tuscany -composite <compositeURI> contrib1 contrib2 ... contribN

    The compositeURI can be a relative URI in one of the contribs or an 
absolute URI which points to an external composite file.

    4) Do we prefer to have multiple commands for different purposes or one 
command with different options?


  Some of those sounds really good, just to explain, there are two things that 
led to it being as it is right now. Firstly lots of ML discussion about 
runtimes, launching, and running samples where aspects of how this should work 
came up, without giving links to all the emails an OTTOMH summary is - to have 
a Tuscany persona, to remove the mystery about what happens,  to make it 
simple, intuitive and consistent, and to enable simple sample builds. The 
second reason its like this is to get something going quickly with minimum work 
as it wasn't obvious if eveyone agreed we wanted something like this. One other 
thing was to make the .bat/.sh scripts as simple as possible as they're hard to 
maintain.

  For (1) i'm nervous it makes it complicated and makes it hard to see whats 
going on. The current config file is simple and fairly intuitive so there is no 
mystery compared to digging around in a bat script to point to jars somewhere 
else which you then have to unzip and look in the manifest.

  <rfeng>I have a different take here for the following reasons:

  a) MANIFEST.MF is defined by the jar spec and "Main-Class" and "Class-Path" 
are standard headers
  b) The manifest.jar and equinox-manifest.jar have the accurate set of 
classpath entries. And we also support the different configurations based on 
the distro, such as one for core, and one for web service. They are 
automatically generated by Tuscany and no manual steps are required.
  c) The OSGi launcher should not pull in other Tuscany modules and 3rd party 
jars which are OSGi bundles. Having them on the launcher classpath is 
problematic.
  d) Arguing about mystery, the launcher is already on the magical path anyway. 
I'm trying to avoid intuitive directory scanning in non-development mode.


Well it doesn't seem as magical or mysterious as the alternative to me, any 
newbie could look at the bat scripts and config files and likely understand 
what was going on. IMVHO we seem to over engineer and complicate so much in 
Tuscany, to a actual user running tuscany.bat would it really make any 
difference at all?  What ever, how about we wait till all the distribution, 
feature, and sample running discussions have got a bit more finalized so we 
know for sure if we need something like this launcher at all and if so exactly 
what it needs to do?

For (c) could you give a bit more detail? We can probably fix it just by adding 
some more to the config file.

   ...ant



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