He crawled it from this site [1] and then he modified the result by removing entries or single letters.
I do not see any license notice. Is this a good or bad sign for us? IANAL (and actually do not know much about it) but I would assume that it is not problematic. There is no specific source file and the owner probably cannot call copyright for single firstnames. Best, Peter [1] http://www.vornamen-liste.de/ Am 09.02.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Peter Klügl: > I additionally sent an email to the last address I know. > > Am 08.02.2016 um 22:26 schrieb Richard Eckart de Castilho: >> The problem I see is that we currently do not know where the file comes from >> (provenance). I find it hard to believe that the file was an original >> creation >> from Stefan. I believe that it could take quite some time to compile such a >> list of names. More likely is in my opinion, that the file was obtained from >> some third-party source. >> >> If we knew that third-party source, we might easily be able to clear IP. >> >> Since we do not know it, we currently have to resort to speculation about the >> lawfulness of compiling specialized unigram lists. >> >> It looks like we can agree this is not a blocker for the present release as >> involved risk is apparently very low. Still, we should try to clear this. >> >> I've placed a comment on UIMA-3926 asking Stefan to shed some light on the >> provenance of the file. Let's see what comes of it. >> >> Thanks for digging up the issue number Marschall! >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Richard >> >>> On 08.02.2016, at 21:56, Marshall Schor <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So, first I'd like to summarize, in case I don't fully understand the issue. >>> >>> Ruta contains some examples; the example data include 90K file >>> FirstNames.txt, >>> in example-projects/GermanNovels/reosources. >>> >>> From what I can see, there are no actual German Novels included in the >>> example-project/GermanNovels. >>> >>> From the discussion, it seems the word lists were not originally part of the >>> contribution; but a comment in UIMA-3926 Peter asks if the word list could >>> be >>> contributed, but not the novels, and Stefan then contributed them. >>> >>> I am not a lawyer, so this is not a legal opinion, but I did a quick >>> internet >>> search and believe that compiling a list of words used in a novel does not >>> infringe the copyright in that novel, because this data is entirely >>> independent >>> of the expressive value of any of the underlying sources that might have >>> been >>> used to compile the list; and the list has lost any similarity to the >>> underlying >>> sources in terms of things like plot, theme, etc. >>> >>> So I think the risk is low. We could probably reduce the risk by asking >>> Stephan >>> where these lists came from, and if he is aware of any IP issues with them. >>> >>> To the extent that we collect information and form opinions on issues like >>> this, >>> I recommend adding a file to the SVN, not necessarily included in the build, >>> called something like license-notice-research.txt, just to record these >>> things >>> in one place, so we can find it quickly if a question comes up later and we >>> want >>> to remember what and why we did something. >>> >>> -Marshall >>> >>> >>> On 2/8/2016 5:21 AM, Richard Eckart de Castilho wrote: >>>> On 08.02.2016, at 11:11, Peter Klügl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Am 08.02.2016 um 10:44 schrieb Richard Eckart de Castilho: >>>>>> On 08.02.2016, at 10:11, Peter Klügl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 07.02.2016 um 19:52 schrieb Richard Eckart de Castilho: >>>>>>>> Checks: >>>>>>>> - compared POMs in 2.3.0 svn tag against 2.4.0 tag: no new >>>>>>>> dependencies - OK >>>>>>>> - the FirstNames.txt file in GermanNovels is quite large 90k, but no >>>>>>>> source info/license for this file is given anywhere: doesn't seem OK >>>>>>>> - stopping checks at this point for the moment >>>>>>> What kind of source info/license would you expect? The file together >>>>>>> with the other files was contributed as part of UIMA-3926 with an ICLA >>>>>>> present. I do not remember if I knew the source of the file by then, but >>>>>>> I remember that I had some conversations with the contributor that the >>>>>>> files need to be OK for a contribution. That's the reason why the >>>>>>> test/dev data was not contributed since it had some CC license that was >>>>>>> problematic. >>>>>> The other dev/test data doesn't seem problematic at all, but the 90k >>>>>> names >>>>>> file seems non-trivial. If it were CC, the license would need to be >>>>>> mentioned >>>>>> in a LICENSE.txt file. My suggestion would be to simply strip the file >>>>>> down >>>>>> to the names needed for the example. >>>>> If I have to guess I'd say that the names have been crawled and that >>>>> there is no original source file with a specific license. >>>>> >>>>> The novels had the CC license last time I checked. I do not remember >>>>> all, but when I looked it up in Apache's third party pages, it indicated >>>>> that it was not possible to include them. However, I could have been >>>>> wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Hmm... it depends what is needed for the example. The initial example >>>>> were 10-20 novels. I could strip it down to the firstnames of one novel >>>>> I remember to be part of the dev set, but is that really necessary? >>>> Let's see what Marshall thinks about it. >>>> >>>> -- Richard
