if anyone else is planning to vote, they've made no indication of it.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> anyone left to vote?
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>
>> ok, we've had this conversation, but until someone takes the time to
>> remedy that situation (one way or another), it is how it is.  so what
>> say you?  shall we wait two more days to make it a total of five for
>> voting and 11 for testing, or should we call this beta vote closed and
>> release the darn thing?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> we all know why....
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>
>>>> and Henning for that matter, since lately i have had to resort to
>>>> asking him to do it after several fruitless attempts.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i have to get the velocity-site stuff (home page, download page, etc)
>>>>> updated for every release i do.  if the Tools 2.0-beta3 release
>>>>> happens pretty much the same time as Engine 1.6, then i only have to
>>>>> update the site once for both.  saves me some headache.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how does letting the vote run the full 3 days vs cutting it off early
>>>>>> affect
>>>>>> the site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geir
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fully agree, but we've already had more time than usual for
>>>>>>> participation and testing already.  The first test build was 9 days
>>>>>>> ago.  The first CFV was over 3 days ago.  The odds of what you
>>>>>>> describe seem low, and the cost would be two separate site updates,
>>>>>>> for which have high odds of being the greater trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that the more the merrier on things like this for purposes
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> participation, and in addition,  someone might find something and
>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>> and be convincing in their argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> why not end early?  :(  i did the initial CFV 72+ hrs ago and only
>>>>>>>>> changed one source file between the initial and secondary votes,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> we have a quorum and clear majority in favor of this beta release.
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> fact, there's only one active PMC member who hasn't yet voted +1 on
>>>>>>>>> this, Claude.  If you are giving essentially a -1 to this
>>>>>>>>> procedural
>>>>>>>>> change, i'd appreciate a good reason at the least.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (And don't end it early even w/ 3 +1s  :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> geir
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, Will said the new test build works for him; it is still
>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please vote regarding your support for releasing this new test
>>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> VelocityTools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 Have fun; i don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -0  Not sure about this, but i won't stop you.
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The voting period is typically 72 hours, putting its close time
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> roughly 2pm PST on Wednesday, Dec 3.  Though if i get 3 +1s
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> then, i'll end it early.  It's just a beta, after all. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is, again, +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, i've accepted Will's veto and am changing my vote to -1, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> here's
>>>>>>>>>>>> the result for the record:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Bubna
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will Glass-Husain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Will.  I actually feel like Adrian (or someone)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too, but i forgot about it, since it's been working fine for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, i'll scrap this one and try to fix that.  I guess this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going out in the same site update as Velocity Engine 1.6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Will Glass-Husain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1. Doesn't build.  see error report below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WILL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src>ant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buildfile: build.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [delete] Deleting directory C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [delete] Deleting directory C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\dist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean-examples:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple-example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showcase-example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> struts-example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test.clean:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepare.compile:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build\classes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\dist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base-download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons-collections-download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http-m1-download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do-http-m1-download:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] Getting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] To: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [get] Can't get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jarto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uments and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUILD FAILED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build.xml:104:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:40:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g this line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:209:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ng this line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:121:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ng this line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:132:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Total time: 1 second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Nathan Bubna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, there were no complaints about the current test build, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving on to a vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The test build is still available here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/<http://people.apache.org/%7Enbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please vote regarding your support for releasing this new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VelocityTools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 Have fun; i don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -0  Not sure about this, but i won't stop you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The voting period is typically 72 hours, putting its close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roughly 7am PST on Monday, Dec 1st.  If the vote passes, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this to the mirrors and change the web site and get Henning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deploy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With luck i'll be able to announce it by Wed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Nathan Bubna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and here is a test build for Tools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/<http://people.apache.org/%7Enbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this should be the last Tools 2.0 beta release, barring any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing.  with another push on the documentation front,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to get 2.0 to final by Christmas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, give the tires a kicking on this one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  hopefully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release this the same day as Engine 1.6.  then i'll only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henning to update the public site once.  that would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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