Hi *,

On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 08:47:18AM +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 09:49:20AM +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> > [...]
> >> - There is some demand that the application links on the start page
> >> should point to project pages addressing both users and contributors.
> > 
> > And here the problem starts: The pages that shall be linked are not
> > available yet. (in a suitable presentation)
> 
> Correct; the point here is that we (the project leads) want to have a
> basic agreement that the time to bring these pages into a "suitable
> presentation" isn't wasted because afterwards nobody will link to them
> from the start page.

IMHO the time is not wasted even when they are not linked from the
startpage directly.

> > [...]
> > Now things get mixed up/start to be confusing. What is awkward is
> > http://projects.openoffice.org/index.html
> > But the project pages that should have pointers to the devel-content are
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > these:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html
> 
> The whole navigation in the "projects" part just needs too much clicks.

We agree on that one.

> And addtionally I don't like "dead end pages" like the current marketing
>  related project pages. Why not add a link to them to the "real" project
> pages as soon as they have a "suitable presentation"?

I'm all for it!
 
> >> Another point I would like to rise: could we have a more prominent link
> >> to the "contribute" page, perhaps equally in visibility and size to the
> >> "get OOo" or the "Native Language" button?
> > 
> > More prominent than in the toptabs?
> 
> Yes. In the same size and visbility as "Get...". We want to put more
> emphasize on the community. Community is get *and* give. The "get"
> button is already there.

Hmm. contributing.ooo already is among the top 50 pages - the pages that
are more popular are basically only the portal pages (www. and a couple
of NL-projects) and the corresponding download-pages (and some special
pages like login/mailing list) and the product pages.

> > I fear that with the "other projects" stuff the page will get crowded
> > again. IMHO it's better to have the contributing page linked from other
> > pages..
> 
> ... that many people will never reach in their lifetime.

I don't agree. HTML is all about hyperlinking. That's why I oppose to
putting all info on one single page, just to end up in a page like
development.ooo that nobody likes. If we have "redesigned" project
pages and have them linked from the product pages (wich are in the top
50 as well, that shows that the argument of another post: "people will
not visit it twice" is irrelevant), then it is only natural that the
pages that have infos for devel-contributors also link to the
contributing page for those who cannot contribute code.

> If you are concerned about "overcrowding" we could reduce the
> "additional  products" buttons

I'd prefer one button - approx. the size of the current buttons - maybe
instead of the seagull image two additional buttons:
* one for the OOo-Office-suite products
* one for the "developer"-products

> to one additional button called "more OOo
> software" but I doubt that this will be necessary. Let's first have a
> look on a potential implementation before we tempt fate.

If anybody has an idea on how to graphically represent these two
categories, I'll try to make a mockup..

I thought of a desk for the Suite products-button and maybe gears or
bricks for the developer-button.
Comments?

ciao
Christian
-- 
NP: Linkin Park - Breaking The Habit

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