Hi *,

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 10:33:35PM +0100, :murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote:
> 
> >>If we have to work around these declarations with implementing the new 
> >>design, this includes only a cascade of more !important declarations...
> >>    
> >
> >I agree - but cleaning it up on the life site is quite tricky..
> >  
> My personal stance, but maybe a bit radical is:
> 
> HTML = text
> no style, still text
> change style, still text

Well - might be still text, but not very readable text.

> current styling is broken

Yes.

> removing !important won't remove text (there are no display or 
> visibility related changes), secondly most formatting is based on tables 
> anyway, so we can't really break global elements.

It is not about removing text. It is about "defacing" the whole site.

Sure it isn't as problematic as messing around with the structure
itself, but still one should be aware of that.

> [...] 
> and last but not least... the current website style is  broken as we are 
> writing... and we've been accepting this for months now... how is that 
> about messing up a live site? and now we should be too afraid of 
> changing this?

The other problem to be aware of is: Our changes will most likely be
binned when/if OOo should upgrade to a newer version of CEE...

Don't get me wrong: I'm all in favor of cleaning it up.
But cleaning it up the last time was a very hard process, despite having
a staging server at hand. Admittedly we were changing the structural
layout of the site, but still there were problems where I didn't thought
there could be any (exactly because the css is so damn broken)

ciao
Christian
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