Hi again--

:murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote:
Hi Kay,

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Content
I added a few comments to this one. Basically, my suggestions call for
using existing pages/areas we already have and retooling them a bit.
I'll be more than happy to assist in this endeavor.

It can definitely be only retooling, but we need to start retooling some
day ;) I suggest starting on this right now. And to me the wiki seems like
the ideal platform for creating content not being bothered with setting up
a tunnel, updating cvs, editing html, saving, committing... etc.

Agreed...I will happily take on a new "About" this weekm, and post it to tryouts. (I'll try to find some time today to post Ivan's new version as well, I guess.).

Re the Support page...OK, but ultimately, I, for example, would not have access to replace the existing *main* Support page.


Mainly this retooling entails moving from e.g. books sorted by date to
books sorted by type.

OK--you're talking about the Support page here I guess.

The latter I tried to start here, but this weekend
not everything went as planned, so I lacked time to finish it:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Content/help/books/print

Maybe this list should even include the free PDF books (the difference is
already fading with the inclusion of printing on demand books).

OK--I see what you've got here.


We should create the pages for the user, and that also includes making
choices for the user (which content to put first). Sorting based on date
is, for example, really objective, but it doesn't favour one publication
over the other based on quality and usefulness.

The one I see as particularly problematic is the "I Want to do more with
OpenOffice" since the subjects you have here are not currently under one
umbrella, so this one would likely involve a new page unless you wanted
to handle it in css with a drop down to the respective areas--templates,
extensions, etc.

It could be a simple follow up page, with some nice graphics linking to
the general subpages.

yes, but this would entail maintaining a separate page for just a very few items. Is it worth it?


And, a parting comment. I see in the new design we have a "News" tab,
but...well...will people actually go there much? I think we should leave
the tab but if at all possible, maybe do *something* on the home page to
highlight at least ONE news item? (No good ideas here without making the
overall design "tacky").

Before including news on the main page, one should ask the simple
question: why?

IMHO, the vast majority, and this is the group we are designing for, is
not that interested in news primarily. And if they are interested in news,
they can click the news tab, still quite accessible. If there is really
important news, we can use the marketing box as designed by Randy for this
as well.

Well I think it keeps things *NEW*, no pun intended. :) And, it may draw the user's attention to the fact that we are a vibrant and successful community. I see mostly as PR. Once upon a time, I think it was Ximian (before they were acquired by Novell) that had sort of scrolling news fram on their home page, which was kind of neat to highlight "goings on". I know this kind of thing would not fit at all well with our current "minimalistic" design but it was tastful way (didn't use up a lot of real estate) to showcase things. Anyway, I completely understand that this could be a "future" idea and is NOT at all critical to getting our new design implemented.


That said, a page including all news items needs to be created. Actually I
was thinking about a similiar solution as used at planet marketing:

http://marketing.openoffice.org/planet/

I don't know exactly how it works yet... but the thing is that it is RSS
based, people interested in keeping constant updates on OOo, can subscribe
to the news feed. Secondly, this page needs much less manual updating, as
happens currently manually adding links to external pages. It can simply
rely on a recombination of RSS feeds from selected sources (e.g. the ones
that are now highlighted as 'Always' news resources)

g.,


Maarten

OK...later


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