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Many thanks again for all your help! Warmly, Sally - - - Vice President Marketing & Publicity Vice President Sponsor Relations The Apache Software Foundation Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, at 10:04, Sally Khudairi wrote: > No worries, York. We can wait until your return. > > Enjoy the hike :-) > > Kind regards, > Sally > > - - - > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > Vice President Sponsor Relations > The Apache Software Foundation > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, at 12:52, 申远 wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > As I am on a hiking activity until the end of this week, it’s hard for > > me to finish the editing at current situation. I think I shall get back > > and work on the draft early next week. > > > > Best Regards, > > York Shen > > > > 申远 > > > > > 在 2019年4月4日，08:49，Sally Khudairi <[email protected]> 写道： > > > > > > Hello again, YorkShen --I hope you are well. > > > > > > Please accept my apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The > > > activities surrounding the ASF's 20th Anniversary took a bit longer than > > > anticipated and I'm getting caught up now. > > > > > > As promised, I've moved your draft onto googledocs and have made some > > > minor edits. Please review the copy at > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1phSie8Ie8JXbCeFQ4FpXGIMoBZmdLjo9VJhtbvkBu7g/edit?usp=sharing > > > > > > Do let me know if there's anything else you'd like to add. For example, I > > > noticed on the Weex Website that you have a great number of users! That's > > > excellent! Perhaps we share an approximate number how many companies are > > > using Weex? > > > > > > Also, if we are able to finish editing soon, we can publish this post > > > early next week if you'd like. > > > > > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts. > > > > > > Many kind regards, > > > Sally > > > > > > - - - > > > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > > > Vice President Sponsor Relations > > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, at 00:50, Sally Khudairi wrote: > > >> Hello again, YorkShen. > > >> > > >> I appreciate your efforts: this is a well thought-out post with some > > >> very good points. > > >> > > >> I'd like to make some minor edits. Are you able to access Google Docs? > > >> If not, I can write them here in email. > > >> > > >> Again, these are very minor (as I don't want to put words in your mouth, > > >> or change the tone to a "corporate" piece). For example: > > >> > > >>> from beginning to nowadays > > >> > > >> I'd suggest changing to "from the beginning to the present day" or "to > > >> today". Small things. > > >> > > >> Do let me know what works best for you. > > >> > > >> Many kind regards, > > >> Sally > > >> > > >> > > >> - - - > > >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > > >> Vice President Sponsor Relations > > >> The Apache Software Foundation > > >> > > >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, at 03:14, 申远 wrote: > > >>> About a month ago, I promised to write an article for Apache 20th > > >>> Anniversary on behalf of Weex. I have finished the work until today. > > >>> The content is shown below. Feel free to give any comment or feedback. > > >>> > > >>> Introduction > > > > > >>> I am a Project Management Committee ( *PMC* ) member of *Apache Weex* ( > > >>> *Incubating* ), a cross platform mobile development framework, widely > > >>> used in many mobile Apps, among top of which have nearly 0.7 billion > > >>> MAU（ *Monthly Active Users* ). > > > > > >>> Weex <https://weex.apache.org/> became an open source project in early > > >>> 2016 and joined the Apache Incubator in Dec, 2016. As a Project > > >>> Management Committee member, I go though with the project from > > >>> beginning to nowadays, it is an exciting journey mixed with challenge > > >>> and suffering, and the journey is not end yet. > > > > > >>> Challenge > > > > > >>>> This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it > > >>>> is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. - Winston Churchill > > > > > >>> As ASF <https://www.apache.org/> ( *Apache Software Foundation* ) > > >>> divides its projects into two types, namely TLP > > >>> <https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/incubation_at_apache_what_s> > > >>> ( *Top Level Project* ) and Incubator Project > > >>> <https://incubator.apache.org/>, joining Apache Incubator is the end. > > >>> Instead, it is just a beginning. > > > > > >>> Community > > > > > >>> As a project under ASF, Weex should and would do things under the > > >>> Apache Way > > >>> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#philosophy>. But > > >>> as one might imagine, there are lots of problems Weex has to solve: > > > > > >>> * It is said that *If it didn't happen on a mailing list, it didn't > > >>> happen*. While Weex was developed by Alibaba Inc. and donated to ASF, > > >>> it is not surprising that some contributors and committers of Weex are > > >>> full-time employees of Alibaba Inc. Therefore, there was plenty number > > >>> of internal IM and Face to Face communication, which is not an Apache > > >>> way. > > >>> * Many of Weex contributors and users are Chinese, they preferred > > >>> Chinese to communicate, report bugs and write document, which is not a > > >>> typical Apache Way. > > >>> Engineering and Product > > > > > >>> There are some technical issue due to the feature of Weex: > > > > > >>> * It is known to all that Android and iOS System got upgrade each year, > > >>> therefore feature and API also got updates each year. Weex is a cross > > >>> platform framework and designed to provide mobile feature with > > >>> Front-End Technology, it is not a easy task to map these Java (*for > > >>> Android system*) and Objective-C (*for iOS system*) API to Front-End > > >>> world, and yearly updates of the systems makes it even harder. > > >>> * The users of Weex are Front-End Engineers while the contributors and > > >>> committers are Android and iOS developers, there is a technological > > >>> stack gap between users and Weex contributors. > > >>> * The active committers of Weex is not enough, it is hard to maintain a > > >>> project that provides Operating System API with no more than ten active > > >>> committers. > > >>> Weex Way > > > > > >>>> Open source is more than just code. > > > > > >>> There are two repositories for Weex, one is before the donation to ASF, > > >>> the other is after that. And there are are nearly 30 thousand stars > > >>> among these two repositories. What an exciting number. But *Open source > > >>> is more than just code*, it is about more. > > > > > >>> Community > > > > > >>>> Community over code. > > > > > >>> Currently, most open source project will adopt one of the governance > > >>> structures > > >>> <https://opensource.guide/leadership-and-governance/#what-are-some-of-the-common-governance-structures-for-open-source-projects>: > > > > > >>> * BDFL > > >>> * Meritocracy > > >>> * Liberal contribution > > >>> ASF is an endeavor to *Meritocracy*, in which *community is over code.* > > > > > >>> Mailing List > > > > > >>>> If it didn't happen on a mailing list, it didn't happen. > > > > > >>> As it is mentioned above, many Weex contributors and committers are > > >>> employees of commercial companies, and some of their companies even > > >>> prefer Weex in their production environment. Therefore we, as employees > > >>> receive a great deal of feature request from coworker, some of them > > >>> might even choose face to face conversation to discuss new feature. > > > > > >>> Code commits without discussion in mailing list is not Weex PMC's want, > > >>> not Apache Way either. Therefore PMC of weex have made some rules to > > >>> make thing right: > > > > > >>> * Dev@ mailing list is the only official communication channel, all > > >>> features must be discussed in the mailing list before coding except > > >>> tiny bugfix like fixing a null pointer exception. > > >>> * Move Github PR and Issue from dev@ to a separate mailing list to > > >>> avoid noise. > > >>> Decision Making > > > > > >>> Weex is owned by ASF and developed by a group of developers. It is > > >>> important to follow the Consensus building and Voting procedure. The > > >>> procedure is transparent and search engine friendly to all users in the > > >>> world. It is normal that someone stops to maintain a project due to > > >>> interest change or work change, a project fullfils the previous > > >>> procedure is more robust against developers changes as current > > >>> developers can search for the corresponding mails and have a better > > >>> understanding of what is happening there. > > > > > >>> By default, the official language used in Apache mailing list is > > >>> English, but it is problems for Weex as many users of Weex are Chinese > > >>> who are not good at communicating in English. Therefore, enthusiastic > > >>> contributors of Weex would always prefer *Google Translate* to > > >>> translate Chinese to English to let others known what is happening, and > > >>> politely remind the original author to use Chinese next time. It is a > > >>> time consuming and tedious job to translate others' post, but it is > > >>> worthy to let the world understand what is happening here. > > > > > >>> *In fact, there is a discussion > > >>> <https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg57218.html> > > >>> about language used in mailing list.* > > > > > >>> Engineering and Product > > > > > >>> Infrastructure > > > > > >>> There are many users that prefer Weex in their commercial product, > > >>> among top of which have nearly 0.7 billion MAU. In such cases, stable > > >>> is our priority, as 99.999% availability only means that ten thousands > > >>> of our end users got problems. > > > > > >>> Therefore, we choose minus feature from Weex instead of adding features: > > > > > >>> * The priority of Weex is stable, which means only bugfix is allowed > > >>> * New feature imported to Weex as a plugin, developers can choose > > >>> enable or disable a certain plugin. > > >>> Developers' Feedback > > > > > >>> We also make a feedback convention > > >>> <https://weex.apache.org/guide/contribute/how-to-contribute.html#ask-or-answer-questions> > > >>> between our users and contributors to get users' problem solved > > >>> efficiently. > > > > > >>> * Github Issue is only for Bug Feedback, others problem should go > > >>> through mailing list. > > >>> * It is important to fire a bug according to the bug reporting template > > >>> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/issues/new> > > >>> Ending > > > > > >>> Until Now, Weex is still a project under Apache Incubator. > > > > > >>> You are welcomed to join the Weex Community > > >>> <https://weex.apache.org/guide/contribute/how-to-contribute.html#mailing-list>. > > > > > >>> > > >>> Best Regards, > > >>> YorkShen > > >>> > > >>> 申远 > > >> > >
