On Monday 25 October 2010 3:21:27 pm Andreas Veithen wrote: > I think it's again a perfect example of a discussion that degenerates > because some people don't take the time to first get the facts and try > to think about what the issue actually is. > > Part of the issue is actually very simple. If somebody does a > modification to the site, you'd expect to get a notification about the > change so that you can review it. If that had been the case, I (or > somebody else) would have reacted to the removal of the Axis link and > the issue could have been solved without making too much noise. I > actually took the time to check why no such notification was ever > sent. It appears that Benson did two commits [1] to the > /webservices/site directory, but the SVN notifications are nowhere to > be found. Normally, they should have been sent to > [email protected] (at least that is where notifications of > previous commits where sent). I'm pretty sure that the reason is > simply that Benson didn't subscribe with his apache.org address to > that list.
That, and the *...@ws lists were not moderated lists. If they were moderated, the commit would have just been moderated through. Problem solved. > I think Benson acted in good faith, but because of a stupid mistake > (that BTW happened to other people in the past, including myself) he > rendered inoperative the commit-then-review policy. > > Benson, can you check your subscription to [email protected] and > test if SVN notifications are generated properly? Irrelevant. The list no longer exists. They go to [email protected] now. Dan > > Thanks, > > Andreas > > [1] > http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?to=20101025&path=/webservi > ces/site&author=bimargulies > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 16:56, Glen Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > <meta> > > Can we please drop the tone of this discussion? While there are > > certainly some (maybe many) that believe ad-hominems, flaming, and > > grousing are "The Apache Way", they don't fit well in my personal view > > of same. > > > > Sanjiva, I'm looking at you here. I don't know if you had too much > > coffee today or what, but please take it down a notch? :) > > </meta> > > > > I don't think it's at all unreasonable for folks in the WS community to > > want things clean and correct - after all, that's sort of the main > > thrust we've been trying to execute on in the past few months with > > cleaning up the projects, the PMC list, etc. 10 months is plenty long > > for a project to move itself - most graduated incubator projects are out > > and set up as TLPs within a month or two. On the other hand, of course > > people are busy and website work isn't as glamorous as new plugin APIs. > > :) So let's please try to get some actual cooperative work happening > > here and focus on what needs doing rather than who's asking. > > > > Thanks, > > --Glen > > > > On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate > >> amount of time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of > >> moving to a TLP. You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one > >> person was able to copy the content over (or update poms and do a > >> site:deploy or whatever you guys do for web content). > >> > >> > >> I noticed that ws.apache.org <http://ws.apache.org> does not say a WORD > >> about Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's > >> reasonable??! That is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from > >> two ASF Members. > >> > >> Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the > >> directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. > >> > >> I will find time to go edit "your" site one of these days and put back > >> some history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; > >> its ours and I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis > >> has in this project! You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. > >> however much you may wish for that to be the case. > >> > >> Sanjiva. > >> -- > >> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > >> Founder, Director & Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; > >> http://www.opensource.lk/ > >> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ > >> Founder & Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ > >> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > >> Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ > >> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ > >> > >> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ -- Daniel Kulp [email protected] http://dankulp.com/blog
