On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Sagara Gunathunga <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Isuru Perera <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Sagara Gunathunga <[email protected]>wrote:
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>>>  Isuru, can you please provide me a reliable reference about this
>>> *replacement* ?
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by a "reliable reference".
>>
>
>  I meant according to this
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources
>
>
>> But what I said is that JSF + Facelets is the standard web framework in
>> Java EE. We cannot really compare JSF and JSP directly since JSP can be
>> used as a view technology in JSF. But Facelets is the standard view
>> technology for JSF now.
>>
>> That's why I said "JSF + Facelets" replaces "JSP". In other words, we can
>> use JSF + Facelets for building web applications instead of using JSP.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that we shouldn't use JSP and it's old! But that's
>> just my way of looking at JSP.
>>
>
>  In my POV when someone says "JSP is replaced by JSF + Facelets" it 
> impliesneutral point of view [1]  :)
>
>  Ok let's see what Wikipedia have to say ....
>
> "* JSF* is a request-driven MVC web *framework* based on component driven
> UI design model, using XML files called view templates or *Facelets*views. "  
> [2]
>
> "JavaServer Pages (*JSP*) is a Java technology that helps software
> developers serve dynamically generated web pages based on HTML, XML,
> , or other document types "[3]
>
> In my POV we can't compare or can't say replaced  JSP by JSF because both
> serve different requirements where JSF is a MVC framework and JSP is a
> dynamic page generation technology.  We can compare JSF with other MVC F/W
> like Structs, Spring MVC etc.
>

So, I was trying to say basically the same thing.


> Taking a different example,  we can say JAX-RPC is replaced  by JAX-WS
> because JCP spec itself claimed  so [4].
>
> "The JAX-WS 2.0 specification is the next generation web services API *
> replacing* JAX-RPC 1.0." [4]
>
> Having said I'm more than happy to accept your claims as your personal
> view, just wanted to mention neutral point of view on above matters
> because there are lot of new people on this list.
>

So, no need to take this conversation further. Facts are there on the
internet. I agree that my view is different from neutral point of view. :)


> [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
> [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces
> [3] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Pages
> [4] - http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=224
>
> Thanks !
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>
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>> --
>>  Isuru Perera
>> Senior Software Engineer | WSO2, Inc. | http://wso2.com/
>> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrishantha | LinkedIn:
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>>
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>
>
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Technical Lead; WSO2, Inc.;  http://wso2.com
> V.P Apache Web Services ;  http://ws.apache.org/
> Blog ;  http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>



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Isuru Perera
Senior Software Engineer | WSO2, Inc. | http://wso2.com/
Lean . Enterprise . Middleware

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