Hi Lahiru,

When it comes to public key and private key cryptography it is asymmetric
key cryptography. After the client encrypts a symmetric key if it was
intercepted by a third party there is no way to decrypt it without the
servers public key and hence the content cannot be accessed and altered
anyway. I believed this is where the security is provided so that the
integrity of the message is protected. The symmetric key is not shared by a
handshake as I understand by the diagram, it is shared with the message
protected by asymmetric key cryptography.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Lahiru Chandima <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good explanation Chamila. Thanks.
>
> I guess its better if this was mentioned in the above diagram so anyone
> can understand how this actually provides security. At least it can be
> mentioned that there is a handshaking mechanism between client and the
> server to  share a secret symmetric key, prior to sending any payload
> message. (or is this a step that is *implied *and I am so ignorant that I
> didn't know that?)
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chamila De Alwis <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> The symmetric key is shared between the trusted parties using the
>> asymmetric key. The encryption is done with the recipient’s public key, so
>> it is not possible for someone in the middle to decrypt the symmetric key
>> information without the server's private key. The server's private key
>> should be secure of course, that is a key agreement.
>>
>> Only when the symmetric key is agreed upon, the payload starts to be
>> transferred. This sequence can be observed with WireShark (or Charles Proxy
>> if you want to decrypt the PKI encrypted data) during a SSL handshake.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chamila de Alwis
>> Software Engineer | WSO2 | +94772207163
>> Blog: code.chamiladealwis.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Lahiru Chandima <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dushan,
>>>
>>> I thought the symmetric key used by client is not a pre shared key
>>> because description says "using a symmetric key *derived by client*",
>>> which implies that the key is generated at the time the client needs to
>>> send the message to the server. If the symmetric key is pre shared as you
>>> describe, there's no problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Dushan Abeyruwan <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>  Read description of again,
>>>>  what it says
>>>>
>>>>     signed using symmetric key then encrypt using service public key,
>>>>  so server end only way to verify now decrypt message using service private
>>>> key, and validate signature with symmetric key.
>>>>
>>>>   Now validating integrity : symmetric key is shared only between to
>>>> agreed parties, so they store symmetric keys in their respective key
>>>> stores, and there is almost no chance that intruder can stand in between
>>>> and generate new symmetric key because, symmetric key is a agreement
>>>> between client and service, even if some one generate new symmetric key
>>>> should inform service beforehand (and normally services wont store
>>>> symmetric keys randomly unless verified and authenticated).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dushan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Lahiru Chandima <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following is the diagram given by ESB about how it provides integrity
>>>>> for a service. (Securing a service using basic scenario No. 3)
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the diagram, client uses a generated symmetric key to
>>>>> sign the message, encrypts the used key using server's public key and 
>>>>> sends
>>>>> along with the message.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I cannot understand how this provides integrity. As I see,
>>>>> someone can intercept the message sent by the client, alter the message,
>>>>> generate a new symmetric key, sign the altered message using this key,
>>>>> encrypt the key using server's public key and send along with the message
>>>>> without a problem. Since the original message is now altered, there's no
>>>>> integrity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can somebody please explain what I have gotten wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
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