On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Flavio Junqueira <f...@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
> Most discussions apart from issues like new committers are open, and anyone > in the community has the right to express an opinion, and I believe we in > general do take opinions and suggestions into account. Consequently, I don't > see much benefit in having a PMC member that does not have a set of > responsabilities that is a superset of the of the ones of a committer. > > Community members come and go, a sign of a healthy Apache project is adding new committers and pmc members to ensure that the project continues to be viable as this ebb/flow happens. > At the same time, I don't see a reason for constraining PMC to be > committers in the bylaws. I would much rather discuss each case > individually, and evaluate the merit of the candidate accordingly. > We have clearly stated in the bylaws how one becomes a PMC member voting), so I agree with you we don't need to update the bylaws. But it is a good idea to outline how one becomes a PMC member and the criteria we (zk) use to judge. Even if this is just a pointer to the links I sent earlier. (similar to what we have for committers https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ZOOKEEPER/CommitterCriteria I think this is what Mahadev was shooting for, get everyone on the same page; current PMC members, new members as they are elected, and the community at large) Patrick > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Benjamin Reed wrote: > > i would like to the pmc to have more of a project management view. i > think it would be great to have pmc members come up through the > committer ranks, but i also think there may be potential pmc members > that are more project management oriented than code oriented. > > for me an ideal pmc member would: > - understand the project > - have a good understanding for where the project should and > shouldn't go, and be able to express that understanding > - should vote on releases and be involved in release discussions > - should participate in the mailing lists > - have a good view of how zookeeper sits in the apache eco system > - know what work is going on and identify areas of needed work > > a committer will do many of these things, but you could be the ideal > pmc member and not be heavily involved in the coding, so making the > pmc members a subset of the committers seems overly restrictive. > actually it may be nice to have some members who don't have their > heads down in the code so that they can take a broader view. > > so i guess the one attribute i would take issue with from your list is > the "patch reviews and contributions". a pmc member should be familiar > with the work going on in the project, but "patch reviews and > contributions" is squarely in the committers area of responsibility. > > ben > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mahadev Konar <maha...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been thinking about what should be the criteria for PMC > > members for ZK. I do not have much experience with PMC member criteria > > for other projects except for Hadoop. In Hadoop we indirectly imply > > that a PMC member be a superset of a committer. Meaning more > > responsibilities than a committer, more responsibility towards project > > direction, more responsibilities towards projects day to day > > activities. > > > > and here is what I had in mind for ZK (mostly explicitly stating what > > we have in Hadoop): > > > A PMC member should be able to get involved in the day to day > > activities of the project > > - by day to day activities I imply > > - release discussions > > - code reviews/ could be any kind - documentation/ others (does > > not imply a deep understanding of the project), should be willing to > > contribute on any part of the project > > - should be willing to work with new contributors and mentor > > them (mostly a superset of committer). > > - works well with other PMC members > > > By the above I imply that a PMC member has a greater set of > > responsibilities that a committer and should be able to review (any > > contribution) and contribute towards ZK releases. > > > What do others think? > > > thanks > > mahadev > > > > *flavio* > *junqueira* > > research scientist > > f...@yahoo-inc.com > direct +34 93-183-8828 > > avinguda diagonal 177, 8th floor, barcelona, 08018, es > phone (408) 349 3300 fax (408) 349 3301 > > >
