Also, to be clear. I'm of the opinion that the advanced preferences should
go away entirely. So I do have opinions of my own on the matter, I just
don't think that lots of effort should be put in without the two points I
talked about here being addressed.

Chris


On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Christopher Forsythe <ch...@growl.info>wrote:

> My concern is 2 fold:
>
> 1) If you are just blindly removing preferences while instead not trying to
> make Adium smarter about how it handles things, then that's not very
> beneficial. My favorite example is as follows:
>
> The is a way in Adium preferences so that tabs will be grouped together in
> windows by the groups in the contact list. If Adium instead detected in the
> background that users were grouping by the groups in the contact list, then
> it could silently start performing this behavior. If a user then starts
> pulling tabs out differently, disable the behavior.
>
> 2) You have no statistics as to what users enable/disable/fiddle with. This
> is all based on opinions/conjecture. There is already infrastructure in
> place that would help to collect at least some of this sort of information.
>
> My problem here is that if only .001 percent of adium users configure more
> than just new xtras to use and accounts, then this seems like a lot of work
> for very little gain to me.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Patrick Steinhardt 
> <steinhard...@me.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> It has often been found that Adium's UI is overwhelming and potentially
>> confusing. Recently, we discussed a reduction of preferences and menu items
>> in #adium-devl and set up a Wiki page to allow for a wider discussion:
>> http://trac.adium.im/wiki/PreferenceReduction2011.
>>
>>
>> - File -> Page Setup
>> This menu item includes needles clutter as the same feature can be
>> accessed by the "Print"-item. One click on "Details" uncovers the page setup
>> there.
>>
>> - File -> Import Fire Accounts and Logs
>> This messenger has not been actively developed for five years now. To
>> quote Evan: "Anyone still using Fire at this point is unlikely to ever
>> switch."
>>
>> - General Preferences -> Send messages with
>> Most users (including some of the devs) won't be able to even distinguish
>> Enter and Return thus rendering this option useless. Current Apple keyboards
>> often don't even have a return key. Users are still able to enter line
>> breaks using Alt+Enter keys.
>>
>> - Advanced Preferences -> Messages -> Time stamp format
>> The format can be customized in System Preferences.app. Apparently, some
>> message styles do not even respect this setting anyway so this setting has
>> potential for confusion.
>>
>> - Advanced Preferences -> Confirmations
>> We want to replace the entire pane with a checkbox-setup: every warning
>> that pops up will have a checkbox "Don't show again". To restore all
>> warnings, there will be a new button "Reset all warnings" which will result
>> in warnings popping up again.
>>
>>
>> Please voice your concerns about these removals.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>

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