On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:30:28AM -0700, Troy Dawson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Robbie Harwood <rharw...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pierre-Yves Chibon <pin...@pingoured.fr> writes:
> >
> > > Here is what the vision we came to and that we would like to discuss:
> > >
> > > ○ Every changes to dist-git is done via pull-requests
> > > ○ Pull-requests are automatically tested
> > > ○ Every commit to dist-git (ie: PR merged) is automatically built in koji
> > > ○ Every build in koji results automatically in an update in bodhi
> > > ○ Every update in bodhi is automatically tested
> > > ○ If the tests pass, the update is automatically pushed to the repository
> >
> > I have a *lot* of objections to this workflow, but maybe it'd be better
> > to take a step back.
> >
> > Instead of trying to create a new workflow, why are you not starting
> > with defining what we have now?  And if there are problems with it that
> > need to be addressed, what are they and why do they motivate these
> > changes to you?
> >
> I'd like to second this question.
> What are the problems with our current workflows?
> At the beginning of this message you said there were several packaging
> initiatives being worked on, but for those of us that didn't go to
> Flock, we don't know what those are.

There was a talk from Neil that has been linked to elsewhere in this thread
which is an example of ideas impacting the packager workflow.
There is the CI work which is impacting the packager workflow.
These two are the ones that I come up from the top of my head but I'm sure there
are more.

> Basically, we (those not in the room with you) are starting here on
> earth, while you are talking about how to properly breath while on the
> moon.  There is alot of disconnect between where we are and what you
> are talking about.

Sorry if that's the feeling I'm giving, it's really not what I was trying to
What I wanted to do is to have a discussion to discuss what we would like the
packaging experience to be in Fedora.
I thought that having a strawman proposal of what such vision could be would be
a good starting point as it would give us something to discuss, change and
adjust so we can come up with some sort of consensus ideal packaging workflow in

This way when we make changes to the packager workflow we have something to
measure the impact of the changes toward the long term objective (ie: is this
change a step forward the ideal packager workflow or something that is a step
back and therefore will need to be adjusted for later?).

Does that make sense?

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