On Nov 26, 2007 2:47 AM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 25, 2007 10:57 PM, Albert Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike C. Fletcher writes:
> > > we need to make use on multi-user machines easy, where Sugar > > > is just a desktop manager session that is run just as one > > > would run KDE or Gnome (so that computing lab situations can > > > let children use Sugar's safe, rich without giving up the > > > ability to run KDE/Gnome) > > > > Activities which don't need special XO hardware features > > should just run, right from the GNOME menu, without anything > > extra. Activity authors should have an easy way to specify > > if this means full-screen or 1200x900 in a window. > > We have Gnome on the Live CD now. What prevents us from installing it on XOs? Well, RAM will get you. I don't believe GNOME is all that important, despite the fact that I use it. I'm using it just for the task bar thing; I even disabled nautilus and all that silly desktop stuff. Having a working window manager is another matter though. > > I feel like such a conspiracy theorist here, but... > > > > The thought that has always come to my mind is "Python cabal". > > At times it feels like things are maliciously non-standard, > > as if intended to exclude normal Linux software. > > We need to get that Sugarizing code for non-Python apps like Etoys > onto a Wiki page. The crazy thing is that Bert has been a 1-man documentation shop, despite not being the author of the code in question. He's some kind of hero. He shouldn't need to be. APIs need to be documented by the people who create them. There has been a long-term absolute refusal to do this. > > A simple xterm should work, no matter if it is started from > > the console or if it is on a separate machine with $DISPLAY set. > > Switching to and from the xterm should work perfectly. The icon > > and title should be used for the donut display. > > I'm sorry, what's wrong with the current standard console and > Developer's Console? All it takes is Ctl+Alt+F1 or Alt+0. There are things wrong, but that's not the point. Pretend my example was xclock, or xeyes, or any other simple thing. A simple $PROGRAM should work. That means remote display onto the XO from elsewhere, switching to and from, the icon getting shown in the donut, the title or icon title getting shown in the donut, and so on. (FYI, what is wrong: 4 left pixels cut off on the console, dreadful font on the console, no CJK or compositing on the console, only 256 characters on the console, no UTF-8 at all in Terminal, less than 80 columns in Terminal, screen motion problems with yum in Terminal, etc. The vttest program may help.) _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel