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Re: C\C++ & SDL (Paul Fox) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:43:28 +1000 >From: James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> >To: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> >Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org >Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL >Message-ID: <20110808214328.gd...@us.netrek.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so >we'll get to know you better. > >You wrote: >> i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory >> controllers or not ??? > >No, not really. A memory controller is included. > >-- >James Cameron >http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:52:58 +0000 >From: Aleksey Lim <alsr...@activitycentral.org> >To: Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> >Cc: OLPC Devel <devel@lists.laptop.org>, Sugar-dev Devel > <sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org> >Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files >Message-ID: <20110808095258.GB21677@antilopa-gnu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: >> All, >> >> There is a widely held belief that Pootle takes care of updating the >> POT files in git and updating the Templates on Poolte. This is not >> entirely accurate. >> >> The fact is that there is nothing in the Pootle code itself that does >> this automatically. This automagical updating used to occur, but it >> was handled by scripts that Sayamindu had created to make it occur. >> These scripts have not been functioning for some time, probably since >> the last Pootle upgrade. We will look at re-establishing this >> functionality in conjunction with an upcoming upgrade of the Pootle >> version, but for now, if a developer makes UI string changes it is >> necessary for them to regenerate the POT file and commit it to git and >> then notify the Translation Team (me) to pull the changes up to Pootle >> with a Template "Upgrade from VCS" where they can then be distributed >> to languages with an "Update from templates". > >That might be too messy.. > >ie, if pootle was handling this sort of things in auto mode, then, for >sometime, all activity devs need to take care on theirs own, then pootle >will back to processing in auto mode.. >It sounds more problematically especially for honey (fructose is more >centralized but even there we might have problems with in-time .pot >updates). > >What about handling these .pot updates out-of-pootle and do not bother >activity devs? If you give me a list of repos (I guess some kind of >pootle config), I can setup regular .pot updates for git repos. > >-- >Aleksey > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:52:59 +0200 >From: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> >To: <qu...@laptop.org>, <devel@lists.laptop.org> >Subject: RE: C\C++ & SDL >Message-ID: <blu151-w2859ae6a1ef4f6deb94975ee...@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" > > >> It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so >> we'll get to know you better. > > >OK so is this irony or are you the first guy to understand me here > > >> >> You wrote: >> > i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory >> > controllers or not ??? >> >> No, not really. A memory controller is included. >> >> -- >> James Cameron >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/attachments/20110809/bf243677/attachment-0001.html> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:57:33 +0200 >From: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> >To: <gonz...@laptop.org>, <devel@lists.laptop.org> >Subject: RE: C\C++ & SDL >Message-ID: <blu151-w6182b5336093a7624f9e8dee...@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" > > >well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short >time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot > > >i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming > > > >i am not an expert but i'd like to start > > >I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i >have 4GB) > > >i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that > > >and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you >with my e-mails) > >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300 >Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL >From: gonz...@laptop.org >To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com >CC: devel@lists.laptop.org > >Is very difficult to know what you know and what not, >what environment do you have, and what yo want to do. >If you really want participate, take time to look at the different >alternatives to install >a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page > >and tell us what are your plans. >We can help you, but you must do the right questions >http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > >Gonzalo > > > >2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > >come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most >of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project > > >a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... > > > > >Thank you > >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 >Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL >From: gonz...@laptop.org > >To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com >CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org > > >Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we >already know there are pending, >like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. >The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. > > >Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. >If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs >opened. >We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I >use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html > > >to see the tickets pending by activity. >If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing >list, >the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the >design decisions made. > > >Is this useful for you? >Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be >we can found you anything to do :) > >Gonzalo > > > >2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > >its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more >help > > >> To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com > >> Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL >> From: p...@laptop.org >> CC: devel@lists.laptop.org >> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 > > >> >> mustafa wrote: >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > >> > well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming >> > must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more > > >> > more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, >> > etc..... >> > >> > >> > please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with >> > them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them > > >> >> Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring >> to. i'm sure you can find more information on them > on your own. >> >> > >> > and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs >> > teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff >> >> Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. > > >> >> > and we can do both things just some people can improve physics >> > things while others increase support for programming languages >> >> you seem to feel that increased support for programming education > > >> on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you >> get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. >> >> > >> > >> > BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more > > >> > important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) >> >> i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being >> a troll. >> >> paul >> >& > g > t; > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com >> > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL > > >> > > From: p...@laptop.org >> > > CC: devel@lists.laptop.org >> > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 > > >> > > >> > > mustafa wrote: >> > > > >> > > > a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a >> > > > couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be > > >> > > > great so kids can learn programming >> > > >> > > contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC >> > > project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to > > >> > > help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with >> > > computing, is one small part of an education that includes l > e > arning to >> > > read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or >> > > biology, or..., or..., or... >> > > >> > > the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as > > >> > > Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, >> > > whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see >> > > Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool > > >> > > than support for more computer languages. >> > > >> > > paul >> > > =--------------------- >> > > paul fox, p...@laptop.org > > >> > >> =--------------------- >> paul fox, p...@laptop.org > > >_______________________________________________ > >Devel mailing list > >Devel@lists.laptop.org > >http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/attachments/20110809/d4521df2/attachment-0001.html> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:03:20 -0400 >From: Paul Fox <p...@laptop.org> >To: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> >Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org >Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL >Message-ID: <10163.1312844...@foxharp.boston.ma.us> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >mustafa wrote: > > > > well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short > > time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot > > > > > > i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming > > > > > > > > i am not an expert but i'd like to start > > > > > > I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i > > have 4GB) > > > > > > i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that > > > > > > and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you > > with my e-mails) > >mustafa -- > >we really do welcome you, and hope you can find a way to contribute. > >this is a very big mailing list, and the OLPC and Sugar projects are >very big projects. we're suggesting that you should help us help you, >by asking specific questions about specific tasks that you might be >interested in working on. that will work better than asking hundreds >of people how you can help, when we don't know anything about your >interests. > >(and remember, you didn't start by asking questions at all -- you started >by announcing that we need to support more programming languages.) > >paul > > > > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300 > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL > > From: gonz...@laptop.org > > To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com > > CC: devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > Is very difficult to know what you know and what not, > > what environment do you have, and what yo want to do. > > If you really want participate, take time to look at the different > > alternatives to install > > a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page > > > > and tell us what are your plans. > > We can help you, but you must do the right questions > > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > > > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do > > most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source > > project > > > > > > a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc... > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300 > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL > > From: gonz...@laptop.org > > > > To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com > > CC: p...@laptop.org; devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > > > Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we > > already know there are pending, > > like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement. > > The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed. > > > > > > Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task. > > If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs > > opened. > > We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I > > use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html > > > > > > to see the tickets pending by activity. > > If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing > > list, > > the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and > > the design decisions made. > > > > > > Is this useful for you? > > Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may > > be we can found you anything to do :) > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > > > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more > > help > > > > > > > To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com > > > > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL > > > From: p...@laptop.org > > > CC: devel@lists.laptop.org > > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > mustafa wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming > > > > must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more > > > > > > > > more people must learn programming, searching, word processing, > > > > etc..... > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with > > > > them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them > > > > > > > > > > Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring > > > to. i'm sure you can find more information on them > > on your own. > > > > > > > > > > > and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs > > > > teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff > > > > > > Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python. > > > > > > > > > > > and we can do both things just some people can improve physics > > > > things while others increase support for programming languages > > > > > > you seem to feel that increased support for programming education > > > > > > > on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you > > > get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more > > > > > > > > important than literature and unimportant stuff like that) > > > > > > i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being > > > a troll. > > > > > > paul > > > > > & > > g > > t; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ahmed_nematal...@hotmail.com > > > > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL > > > > > > > > > From: p...@laptop.org > > > > > CC: devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mustafa wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a > > > > > > couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be > > > > > > > > > > great so kids can learn programming > > > > > > > > > > contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC > > > > > project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to > > > > > > > > > help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with > > > > > computing, is one small part of an education that includes l > > e > > arning to > > > > > read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or > > > > > biology, or..., or..., or... > > > > > > > > > > the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments > > > as > > > > > > > > > Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java, > > > > > whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather > > > see > > > > > Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool > > > > > > > > > than support for more computer languages. > > > > > > > > > > paul > > > > > =--------------------- > > > > > paul fox, p...@laptop.org > > > > > > > > > > > =--------------------- > > > paul fox, p...@laptop.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Devel mailing list > > > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > > > > > > > part 2 text/plain > > 129 > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > >=--------------------- > paul fox, p...@laptop.org > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Devel mailing list >Devel@lists.laptop.org >http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > >End of Devel Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22 >************************************* _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel