Best Regards,
Muhammad Atif
PS: Sorry if my questions are too basic.
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Squyres <jsquy...@cisco.com>
To: Open MPI Developers <de...@open-mpi.org>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:02:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] btl tcp port to xensocket
On Jan 10, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Muhammad Atif wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for such a detailed reply. You are right, we have partitioned
> (normalized) our system with Xen and have seen that virtualization
> overhead is not that great (for some applications) as compared to
> potential benefits that we can get. We have executed various
> benchmarks on different network/cluster configuration of Xen and
> Native linux and they are really encouraging. The only known problem
> is inter-domain communication of Xen which is quite poor (1/6 of the
> native memory transfer and not to mention 50%CPU utilization of
> host). We have tested out Xensocket, and these sockets give us
> really good performance boost in all respects.
> Now that I am having a look at the complex yet wonderful
> architecture of openmpi, can you guys give me some guidance on
> couple of naive questions?
>
> 1- How do I view the console output of an mpi process which is not
> at headnode? Do I have to have some parallel debugger? Or is there
> any magical technique?
OMPI's run-time environment takes care of redirection stdout/stderr
from each MPI process to the stdout/stderr of mpirun for you (this is
another use of the "out of band" TCP channel that is setup between
mpirun and all the MPI processes).
>
> 2- How do i setup GPR?
You don't. The GPR is automatically instantiated in mpirun upon
startup.
> say i have a struct foo, and all processes have at least one such
> instance of foo. From what I gather, openmpi will create a linked
> list of foo's that were passed on (though I am unable to pass one
> on). Where do i have to define struct foo so that it can be
> exchanged b/w the processes? I know its a lame question, but I think
> i am getting lost in the sea. :(
I assume you're asking about the modex.
Every BTL defines its own data that is passed around in the modex. It
is assumed that only modules of the same BTL type will be able to
read/
understand that data. The modex just treats the data as a blob; all
the modex blobs are gathered into mpirun and then broadcast out to
every MPI process (I said scatter in my previous mail; broadcast is
more accurate).
So when you modex_send, you just pass a pointer to a chunk of memory
and a length (e.g., a pointer to a struct instance and a length).
When you modex_receive, you can just dereference the blob that you
return as the same struct type as you modex_send'ed previously
(because you can only receive blobs from BTL modules that are the same
type as you, and therefore the data they sent is the same type of data
that you sent).
You can do more complex things in the modex if you need to, of
course. For example, we're changing the openib BTL to send variable
length data in the modex, but that requires a bit more setup and I
suspect you don't need to do this.
>
> Best Regards,
> Muhammad Atif
> PS: I am totally new to MPI internals. So if at all we decide to go
> ahead with the project, I would be regular bugger in the list.
That's what we're here for. We don't always reply immediately, but we
try. :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Adrian Knoth <a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de>
> To: Open MPI Developers <de...@open-mpi.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:24:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] btl tcp port to xensocket
>
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:51:45PM -0800, Muhammad Atif wrote:
>
> > I am planning to port tcp component to xensocket, which is a fast
> > interdomain communication mechanism for guest domains in Xen. I
may
>
> Just to get things right: You first partition your SMP/Multicore
> system
> with Xen, and then want to re-combine it later for MPI
communication?
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to leave the unpartitioned host alone and use
> shared memory communication instead?
>
> > As per design, and the fact that these sockets are not normal
> sockets,
> > I have to pass certain information (basically memory references,
> guest
> > domain info etc) to other peers once sockets have been created. I
>
> There's ORTE, the runtime environment. It employs OOB/tcp to have
a so
> called out-of-band channel. ORTE also provides a general purpose
> registry (GPR).
>
> Once a TCP connection between the headnode process and all other
peers
> is established, you can store your required information in the GPR.
>
> > understand that mca_pml_base_modex_send and recv (or simply using
> > mca_btl_tcp_component_exchange) can be used to exchange
information,
>
> Use mca_pml_base_modex_send (now ompi_modex_send) and encode your
> required information. It's getting stored in the GPR. Read it back
> with
> mca_pml_base_modex_recv (ompi_modex_recv), as it is done in
> mca_btl_tcp_component_exchange and mca_btl_tcp_proc_create.
>
> > but I cannot seem to get them to communicate. So to put my
> question in
> > a very simple way..... I want to create a socket structure
> containing
> > necessary information, and then pass it to all other peers before
> > start of actual mpi communication. What is the easiest way to do
it.
>
>
> Quite the same way. mca_btl_tcp_component_exchange assembles the
> required information and stores it in the GPR by calling
> ompi_modex_send.
>
> mca_btl_tcp_proc_create (think of "the other peers") reads this
> information into local context.
>
>
> I guess you might want to copy btl/tcp to let's say btl/xen, so you
> can
> modify internal structures, if required. Perhaps xensockets don't
need
> IP addresses, as they are actually memory sockets.
>
> However, you'll still need TCP communication between Xen guests for
> the
> OOB channel.
>
>
> As mentioned above, I'm not sure if it's reasonable to use Xen and
MPI
> at all. Virtualization overhead might decrease your performance, and
> that's usually the last thing you want to have when using MPI ;)
>
>
> HTH
>
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