Agreed and understood. My point was only that I'm not convinced the problem was 
"fixed" as it is entirely consistent with your findings for the race condition 
to still exist, but be biased so strongly that it now "normally" passes. 
Without determining the precise code that causes things to hang vs complete, 
there is no way to say that the code path is truly "fixed".

The fact that this only appears to happen IF the debugger_attach flag is set 
would indicate it has something to do with debugger-related code. Could be 
something in PMIx, or it could be that the change in PMIx just modified the 
race condition. It could be something in the OMPI debugger code, it could be in 
the abstraction layer between PMIx and OMPI, etc.

I don't have an immediate plan for digging deeper into possible root cause - 
and as I said, I'm not all that motivated to do so as PMIx-based tools are not 
displaying the same behavior  :-)

Ralph


On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:41 AM, John DelSignore <jdelsign...@perforce.com 
<mailto:jdelsign...@perforce.com> > wrote:

Hi Ralph,

I assume you are referring to your previous email, where you wrote:

Personally, I have never been entirely comfortable with the claim that the PMIx 
modification was the solution to the problem being discussed here. We have 
never seen a report of an application hanging in that spot outside of a 
debugger. Not one report. Yet that code has been "in the wild" now for several 
years.

What I suspect is actually happening is that the debugger is interfering with 
the OMPI internals that are involved in a way that creates a potential loss of 
the release event. The modified timing of the PMIx update biases that race 
sufficiently to make it happen "virtually never", which only means that it 
doesn't trigger when you run it a few times in quick succession. I don't know 
how to further debug it, nor am I particularly motivated to do so as the 
PMIx-based tools work within (not alongside) the release mechanism and are 
unlikely to evince the same behavior.

For now, it appears 4.0.2 is "good enough".

I'm not an OMPI/PMIx expert here, so I can only tell you what I observe, which 
is even without a debugger in the picture, I can reliably make OMPI 4.0.1 hang 
in that code by setting env ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1. However, OMPI 4.0.2 
has not hung once after running the same test over 1,000 times.

Here's what I did:

*       I added two fprintfs to the rte_orte_module.c file in both 4.0.1 and 
4.0.2:
        *       One inside _release_fn().
        *       One inside ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger() at the start of the 
block that calls "OMPI_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(debugger_event_active);".
*       Ran w/ 4.0.1: env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1 
mpir -np 4 ./cpi401
*       Ran w/ 4.0.2: env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1 
mpir -np 4 ./cpi402
*       Ran w/ 4.0.1: env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 mpir -np 4 ./cpi401

With 4.0.1 and ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1, all of the runs hang and looks like 
this:

mic:/amd/home/jdelsign>env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1 
mpirun -np 4 ./cpi401
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.1/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.1/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.1/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.1/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
...HANG...

With 4.0.2 and ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1, all of the runs complete and look 
like this:

mic:/amd/home/jdelsign>env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH=1 
mpirun -np 4 ./cpi402
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:182
Called _release_fn(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:115: 
status==-54, source->jobid=0xea220000, source->vpid=0
Called _release_fn(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:115: 
status==-54, source->jobid=0xea220000, source->vpid=0
Called _release_fn(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:115: 
status==-54, source->jobid=0xea220000, source->vpid=0
Called _release_fn(), 
../../../../../openmpi-4.0.2/ompi/mca/rte/orte/rte_orte_module.c:115: 
status==-54, source->jobid=0xea220000, source->vpid=0
Process 1 on microway1
Process 2 on microway1
Process 3 on microway1
Process 0 on microway1
pi is approximately 3.1416009869231249, Error is 0.0000083333333318
wall clock time = 0.000133
mic:/amd/home/jdelsign>

With 4.0.1 and ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH not set, all of the runs complete and 
look like this:

mic:/amd/home/jdelsign>env OMPI_MPIR_DO_NOT_WARN=1 mpirun -np 4 ./cpi401
Process 2 on microway1
Process 0 on microway1
Process 3 on microway1
Process 1 on microway1
pi is approximately 3.1416009869231249, Error is 0.0000083333333318
wall clock time = 0.000153
mic:/amd/home/jdelsign>

As you can see in this last test, if ORTE_TEST_DEBUGGER_ATTACH is not set, the 
code in ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger() is not executed.

Honesty, I don't know if this is a valid test or not, but it strongly suggests 
that there is a problem in that code in 4.0.1 and it cannot be the debugger's 
fault, because there is no debugger in the picture. Tthe GitHub issues Austen 
pointed at seem to accurately describe what I have seen and the conclusion 
there was that it was a bug in PMIx. I have no basis to believe otherwise.

Finally, I'd like to reply to your statement, "What I suspect is actually 
happening is that the debugger is interfering with the OMPI internals that are 
involved in a way that creates a potential loss of the release event." In my 
experience, a debugger can most commonly affect application execution in the 
following ways:

*       It can change execution timing of target processes and threads, so if 
there's already a race in the application code, the debugger can either provoke 
it or cover it up.
*       It can cause data caches to be flushed back to memory when the process 
is stopped.
*       It can cause code that is not EINTR safe. Linux is pretty good these 
days about avoiding EINTR problems in the code, but it can still happen if the 
debugger happens to stop the process while in an interruptible system call. If 
the code does not handle EINTR correctly, then it can fail.

I think that unless there's already a problem in the code, the debugger should 
not be able to interfere at all.

Cheers, John D.



On 11/12/19 6:51 PM, Ralph Castain via devel wrote:
Again, John, I'm not convinced your last statement is true. However, I think it 
is "good enough" for now as it seems to work for you and it isn't seen outside 
of a debugger scenario.


On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:13 PM, John DelSignore via devel 
<devel@lists.open-mpi.org <mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org> > wrote:

Hi Austen,

Thanks very much, the issues you show below do indeed describe what I am seeing.

Using printfs and breakpoints I inserted into the _release_fn() function, I was 
able to see that with OMPI 4.0.1, at most one of the MPI processes called the 
function. Most of the time rank 0 would be the only one to execute the 
function, but sometimes none of the MPI processes would execute it. However, 
with OMPI 4.0.2, all of the MPI processes execute the function reliably.

I'm glad to know that the problem was actually fixed in OMPI 4.0.2, and not 
just accidentally working for my test cases.

Cheers, John D.

On 11/12/19 3:41 PM, Austen W Lauria wrote:
I think you are hitting this issue here in 4.0.1:

https://github.com/open-mpi/ompi/issues/6613

MPIR was broken in 4.0.1 due to a race condition in PMIx. It was patched, it 
looks to me, for 4.0.2. Here is the openpmix 
issue:https://github.com/openpmix/openpmix/issues/1189 

I think this lines up - 4.0.2 should be good with a fix.

<graycol.gif>John DelSignore ---11/12/2019 02:25:14 PM---Hi Austen, Thanks for 
the reply. What I am seeing is consistent with your thought, in that when I se

From: John DelSignore<jdelsign...@perforce.com>
To: Open MPI Developers<devel@lists.open-mpi.org>
Cc: Austen W Lauria<awlau...@us.ibm.com>, devel 
<devel-boun...@lists.open-mpi.org>
Date: 11/12/2019 02:25 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [OMPI devel] Open MPI v4.0.1: Process is hanging inside 
MPI_Init() when debugged with TotalView

--------------------------------



Hi Austen,

Thanks for the reply. What I am seeing is consistent with your thought, in that 
when I see the hang, one or more processes did not have a flag updated. I don't 
understand how the Open MPI code works well enough to say if it is a memory 
barrier problem or not. It almost looks like a event delivery or dropped event 
problem to me. 

The place in the MPI_init() code where the MPI processes hang and the number of 
"hung" processes seems to vary from run to run. In some cases the processes are 
waiting for an event or waiting for a fence (whatever that is).

I did the following run today, which shows that it can hang waiting for an 
event that apparently was not generated or was dropped:

1. Started TV on mpirun: totalview -args mpirun -np 4 ./cpi
2. Ran the mpirun process until it hit the MPIR_Breakpoint() event.
3. TV attached to all four of the MPI processes and left all five processes 
stopped.
4. Continued all of the processes/threads and let them run freely for about 60 
seconds. They should have run to completion in that amount of time.
5. Halted all of the processes. I included an aggregated backtrace of all of 
the processes below.

In this particular run, all four MPI processes were waiting in 
ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger() in rte_orte_module.c at line 196, which is:

        /* let the MPI progress engine run while we wait for debugger release */
       OMPI_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(debugger_event_active);

I don't know how that is supposed to work, but I can clearly see that 
debugger_event_active was true in all of the processes, even though TV set 
MPIR_debug_gate to 1:

d1.<> f {2.1 3.1 4.1 5.1} p debugger_event_active
Thread 2.1:
debugger_event_active = true (1)
Thread 3.1:
debugger_event_active = true (1)
Thread 4.1:
debugger_event_active = true (1)
Thread 5.1:
debugger_event_active = true (1)
d1.<> f {2.1 3.1 4.1 5.1} p MPIR_debug_gate
Thread 2.1:
MPIR_debug_gate = 0x00000001 (1)
Thread 3.1:
MPIR_debug_gate = 0x00000001 (1)
Thread 4.1:
MPIR_debug_gate = 0x00000001 (1)
Thread 5.1:
MPIR_debug_gate = 0x00000001 (1)
d1.<> 
I think the _release_fn() function in rte_orte_module.c is supposed to set 
debugger_event_active to false, but that apparently did not happen in this 
case. So, AFAICT, the reason debugger_event_active would not be set to false is 
that the event was never delivered, so the _release_fn() function was never 
called. If that's the case, then the lack of a memory barrier is probably a 
moot point, and the problem is likely related to event generation or dropped 
events.

Cheers, John D. 

FWIW: Here's the aggregated backtrace after the whole job was allowed to run 
freely for about 60 seconds, and then stopped:

d1.<> f g w -g f+l

+/
+__clone : 5:12[0-3.2-3, p1.2-5]
|+start_thread
| +listen_thread : 1:2[p1.3, p1.5]
| |+__select_nocancel
| +progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c 
<mailto:progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c> #105 : 4:4[0-3.2]
| |+opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
| | +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> #165
| |  +__poll_nocancel
| +progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c 
<mailto:progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c> #109 : 4:4[0-3.3]
| |+opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
| | +epoll_dispatch@epoll.c <mailto:epoll_dispatch@epoll.c> #407
| |  +__epoll_wait_nocancel
| +progress_engine : 1:2[p1.2, p1.4]
|  +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
|   +epoll_dispatch@epoll.c <mailto:epoll_dispatch@epoll.c> #407 : 1:1[p1.2]
|   |+__epoll_wait_nocancel
|   +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> #165 : 1:1[p1.4]
|    +__poll_nocancel
+_start : 5:5[0-3.1, p1.1]
 +__libc_start_main
  +main@cpi.c#27 <mailto:main@cpi.c#27>  : 4:4[0-3.1]
  |+PMPI_Init@pinit.c <mailto:PMPI_Init@pinit.c> #67
  | +ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c <mailto:ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c> #890
  |  +ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c#196 
<mailto:ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c#196> 
  |   +opal_progress@opal_progress.c <mailto:opal_progress@opal_progress.c> 
#245 : 1:1[0.1]
  |   |+opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c 
<mailto:opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c> #191
  |   | +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
  |   |  +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> #165
  |   |   +__poll_nocancel
  |   +opal_progress@opal_progress.c <mailto:opal_progress@opal_progress.c> 
#247 : 3:3[1-3.1]
  |    +opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c 
<mailto:opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c> #191
  |     +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
  |      +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> #165
  |       +__poll_nocancel
  +orterun : 1:1[p1.1]
   +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
<mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> #1630
    +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> #165
     +__poll_nocancel

d1.<> 

On 11/12/19 9:47 AM, Austen W Lauria via devel wrote: 

Could it be that some processes are not seeing the flag get updated? I don't 
think just using a simple while loop with a volatile variable is sufficient in 
all cases in a multi-threaded environment. It's my understanding that the 
volatile keyword just tells the compiler to not optimize or do anything funky 
with it - because it can change at any time. However, this doesn't provide any 
memory barrier - so it's possible that the thread polling on this variable is 
never seeing the update.

Looking at the code - I see:

#define OMPI_LAZY_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(flg) \
do { \
opal_output_verbose(1, ompi_rte_base_framework.framework_output, \
"%s lazy waiting on RTE event at %s:%d", \
OMPI_NAME_PRINT(OMPI_PROC_MY_NAME), \
__FILE__, __LINE__); \
while ((flg)) { \
opal_progress(); \
usleep(100); \
} \
}while(0);

I think replacing that with:

#define OMPI_LAZY_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(flg, cond, lock) \
do { \
opal_output_verbose(1, ompi_rte_base_framework.framework_output, \
"%s lazy waiting on RTE event at %s:%d", \
OMPI_NAME_PRINT(OMPI_PROC_MY_NAME), \
__FILE__, __LINE__); \

pthread_mutex_lock(&lock); \
while(flag) { \ 
pthread_cond_wait(&cond, &lock); \ //Releases the lock while waiting for a 
signal from another thread to wake up
} \
pthread_mutex_unlock(&lock); \

}while(0);

Is much more standard when dealing with threads updating a shared variable - 
and might lead to a more expected result in this case.

On the other end, this would require the thread updating this variable to:

pthread_mutex_lock(&lock);
flg = new_val;
pthread_cond_signal(&cond);
pthread_mutex_unlock(&lock);

This provides the memory barrier for the thread polling on the flag to see the 
update - something the volatile keyword doesn't do on its own. I think it's 
also much cleaner as it eliminates an arbitrary sleep from the code - which I 
see as a good thing as well.


<graycol.gif>"Ralph Castain via devel" ---11/12/2019 09:24:23 AM---> On Nov 11, 
2019, at 4:53 PM, Gilles Gouaillardet via devel<devel@lists.open-mpi.org> 
<mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org> wrote: >

From: "Ralph Castain via devel" <devel@lists.open-mpi.org> 
<mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org> 
To: "OpenMPI Devel" <devel@lists.open-mpi.org> 
<mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org> 
Cc: "Ralph Castain" <r...@open-mpi.org> <mailto:r...@open-mpi.org> 
Date: 11/12/2019 09:24 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [OMPI devel] Open MPI v4.0.1: Process is hanging inside 
MPI_Init() when debugged with TotalView
Sent by: "devel" <devel-boun...@lists.open-mpi.org> 
<mailto:devel-boun...@lists.open-mpi.org> 
--------------------------------





> On Nov 11, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Gilles Gouaillardet via devel 
> <devel@lists.open-mpi.org> <mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org>  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> OMPI_LAZY_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(active)
> 
> 
> is a simple loop that periodically checks the (volatile) "active" condition, 
> that is expected to be updated by an other thread.
> So if you set your breakpoint too early, and **all** threads are stopped when 
> this breakpoint is hit, you might experience
> what looks like a race condition.
> I guess a similar scenario can occur if the breakpoint is set in mpirun/orted 
> too early, and prevents the pmix (or oob/tcp) thread
> from sending the message to all MPI tasks)
> 
> 
> 
> Ralph,
> 
> does the v4.0.x branch still need the oob/tcp progress thread running inside 
> the MPI app?
> or are we missing some commits (since all interactions with mpirun/orted are 
> handled by PMIx, at least in the master branch) ?

IIRC, that progress thread only runs if explicitly asked to do so by MCA param. 
We don't need that code any more as PMIx takes care of it.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gilles
> 
> On 11/12/2019 9:27 AM, Ralph Castain via devel wrote:
>> Hi John
>> 
>> Sorry to say, but there is no way to really answer your question as the OMPI 
>> community doesn't actively test MPIR support. I haven't seen any reports of 
>> hangs during MPI_Init from any release series, including 4.x. My guess is 
>> that it may have something to do with the debugger interactions as opposed 
>> to being a true race condition.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 11:27 AM, John DelSignore via devel 
>>> <devel@lists.open-mpi.org <mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org>  
>>> <mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org <mailto:devel@lists.open-mpi.org> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> An LLNL TotalView user on a Mac reported that their MPI job was hanging 
>>> inside MPI_Init() when started under the control of TotalView. They were 
>>> using Open MPI 4.0.1, and TotalView was using the MPIR Interface (sorry, we 
>>> don't support the PMIx debugging hooks yet).
>>> 
>>> I was able to reproduce the hang on my own Linux system with my own build 
>>> of Open MPI 4.0.1, which I built with debug symbols. As far as I can tell, 
>>> there is some sort of race inside of Open MPI 4.0.1, because if I placed 
>>> breakpoints at certain points in the Open MPI code, and thus change the 
>>> timing slightly, that was enough to avoid the hang.
>>> 
>>> When the code hangs, it appeared as if one or more MPI processes are 
>>> waiting inside ompi_mpi_init() at line ompi_mpi_init.c#904 for a fence to 
>>> be released. In one of the runs, rank 0 was the only one the was hanging 
>>> there (though I have seen runs where two ranks were hung there).
>>> 
>>> Here's a backtrace of the first thread in the rank 0 process in the case 
>>> where one rank was hung:
>>> 
>>> d1.<> f 10.1 w
>>> >  0 __nanosleep_nocancel PC=0x7ffff74e2efd, FP=0x7fffffffd1e0 
>>> > [/lib64/libc.so.6]
>>>    1 usleep PC=0x7ffff7513b2f, FP=0x7fffffffd200 [/lib64/libc.so.6]
>>>    2 ompi_mpi_init PC=0x7ffff7a64009, FP=0x7fffffffd350 
>>> [/home/jdelsign/src/tools-external/openmpi-4.0.1/ompi/runtime/ompi_mpi_init.c#904]
>>>    3 PMPI_Init PC=0x7ffff7ab0be4, FP=0x7fffffffd390 
>>> [/home/jdelsign/src/tools-external/openmpi-4.0.1-lid/ompi/mpi/c/profile/pinit.c#67]
>>>    4 main             PC=0x00400c5e, FP=0x7fffffffd550 
>>> [/home/jdelsign/cpi.c#27]
>>>    5 __libc_start_main PC=0x7ffff7446b13, FP=0x7fffffffd610 
>>> [/lib64/libc.so.6]
>>>    6 _start           PC=0x00400b04, FP=0x7fffffffd618 
>>> [/amd/home/jdelsign/cpi]
>>> 
>>> Here's the block of code where the thread is hung:
>>> 
>>>     /* if we executed the above fence in the background, then
>>>      * we have to wait here for it to complete. However, there
>>>      * is no reason to do two barriers! */
>>>     if (background_fence) {
>>> OMPI_LAZY_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(active);
>>>     } else if (!ompi_async_mpi_init) {
>>>         /* wait for everyone to reach this point - this is a hard
>>>          * barrier requirement at this time, though we hope to relax
>>>          * it at a later point */
>>>         if (NULL != opal_pmix.fence_nb) {
>>>             active = true;
>>> OPAL_POST_OBJECT(&active);
>>>             if (OMPI_SUCCESS != (ret = opal_pmix.fence_nb(NULL, false,
>>> fence_release, (void*)&active))) {
>>>                 error = "opal_pmix.fence_nb() failed";
>>>                 goto error;
>>>             }
>>> OMPI_LAZY_WAIT_FOR_COMPLETION(active); *<<<<----- STUCK HERE WAITING FOR 
>>> THE FENCE TO BE RELEASED*
>>>         } else {
>>>             if (OMPI_SUCCESS != (ret = opal_pmix.fence(NULL, false))) {
>>>                 error = "opal_pmix.fence() failed";
>>>                 goto error;
>>>             }
>>>         }
>>>     }
>>> 
>>> And here is an aggregated backtrace of all of the processes and threads in 
>>> the job:
>>> 
>>> d1.<> f g w -g f+l
>>> +/
>>>  +__clone : 5:12[0-3.2-3, p1.2-5]
>>>  |+start_thread
>>>  | +listen_thread@oob_tcp_listener.c 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@oob_tcp_listener.c> 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@oob_tcp_listener.c 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@oob_tcp_listener.c> >#705 : 1:1[p1.5]
>>>  | |+__select_nocancel
>>>  | +listen_thread@ptl_base_listener.c 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@ptl_base_listener.c> 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@ptl_base_listener.c 
>>> <mailto:listen_thread@ptl_base_listener.c> >#214 : 1:1[p1.3]
>>>  | |+__select_nocancel
>>>  | +progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c> 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@opal_progress_threads.c> >#105 : 5:5[0-3.2, p1.4]
>>>  | |+opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> >#1632
>>>  | | +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> 
>>> <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> >#167
>>>  | |  +__poll_nocancel
>>>  | +progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c> 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c 
>>> <mailto:progress_engine@pmix_progress_threads.c> >#108 : 5:5[0-3.3, p1.2]
>>>  |  +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> >#1632
>>>  |   +epoll_dispatch@epoll.c <mailto:epoll_dispatch@epoll.c> 
>>> <mailto:epoll_dispatch@epoll.c <mailto:epoll_dispatch@epoll.c> >#409
>>>  |    +__epoll_wait_nocancel
>>>  +_start : 5:5[0-3.1, p1.1]
>>>   +__libc_start_main
>>>    +main@cpi.c <mailto:main@cpi.c> <mailto:main@cpi.c <mailto:main@cpi.c> 
>>> >#27 : 4:4[0-3.1]
>>>    |+PMPI_Init@pinit.c <mailto:PMPI_Init@pinit.c> <mailto:PMPI_Init@pinit.c 
>>> <mailto:PMPI_Init@pinit.c> >#67
>>>    | +*ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c <mailto:ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c> 
>>> #890 : 3:3[1-3.1]**<<<<---- THE 3 OTHER MPI PROCS MADE IT PAST FENCE*
>>>    | |+ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c 
>>> <mailto:ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c> 
>>> <mailto:ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c 
>>> <mailto:ompi_rte_wait_for_debugger@rte_orte_module.c> >#196
>>>    | | +opal_progress@opal_progress.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress@opal_progress.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress@opal_progress.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress@opal_progress.c> >#251
>>>    | |  +opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_progress_events@opal_progress.c> >#191
>>>    | |   +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> >#1632
>>>    | |    +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> 
>>> <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> >#167
>>>    | |     +__poll_nocancel
>>>    | +*ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c <mailto:ompi_mpi_init@ompi_mpi_init.c> 
>>> #904 : 1:1[0.1]**<<<<----**THE THREAD THAT IS STUCK*
>>>    |  +usleep
>>>    |   +__nanosleep_nocancel
>>>    +main@main.c <mailto:main@main.c> <mailto:main@main.c 
>>> <mailto:main@main.c> >#14 : 1:1[p1.1]
>>>     +orterun@orterun.c <mailto:orterun@orterun.c> <mailto:orterun@orterun.c 
>>> <mailto:orterun@orterun.c> >#200
>>>      +opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c 
>>> <mailto:opal_libevent2022_event_base_loop@event.c> >#1632
>>>       +poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> 
>>> <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c <mailto:poll_dispatch@poll.c> >#167
>>>        +__poll_nocancel
>>> 
>>> d1.<>
>>> 
>>> I have tested Open MPI 4.0.2 dozens of times, and the hang does not seem to 
>>> happen. My concern is that if the problem is indeed a race, then it's 
>>> /possible/ (but perhaps not likely) that the same race exists in Open MPI 
>>> 4.0.2, but the timing could be slightly different such that it doesn't hang 
>>> using my simple test setup. In other words, maybe I've just been "lucky" 
>>> with my testing of Open MPI 4.0.2 and have failed to provoke the hang yet.
>>> 
>>> My question is: Was this a known problem in Open MPI 4.0.1 that was fixed 
>>> in Open MPI 4.0.2?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, John D.
>>> 
>>> 
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