Hi Nir In a case of recovery here are the steps we intend to do --First create an empty disk with the desired disk format ( RAW/COW) --Then upload the backup image contents within it using the image transfer APIs. --Attach the disk to the created VM.
During the 2nd step, if it happens to be a QCOW disk, how can we upload the backup image contents and lay it down in a QCOW2 format. Or does the image transfer API for upload handles it internally ? Just wanted to ensure if we need to do anything post upload for QCOW? Kindly confirm. -Suchitra From: Nir Soffer <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 2, 2018 at 8:12 PM To: Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]>, Ryan Barry <[email protected]> Cc: Arik Hadas <[email protected]>, Martin Perina <[email protected]>, "Yaniv Lavi (Dary)" <[email protected]>, Daniel Erez <[email protected]>, "Nisan, Tal" <[email protected]>, Pavan Chavva <[email protected]>, devel <[email protected]>, James Olson <[email protected]>, Navin Tah <[email protected]>, Sudhakar Paulzagade <[email protected]>, Abhay Marode <[email protected]>, Suchitra Herwadkar <[email protected]>, Nirmalya Sirkar <[email protected]>, Abhijeet Barve <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: List of Queries related to RHV On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:22 PM Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks Nir for the answers. Just a follow up question to your answer on Q.3> [Nir] Regarding backup, I think you need to store the vm configuration at the time of the backup regardless of having a version or not. The amount of data is very small. [Mahesh] We are looking for VM version information to be stored during backup for different reasons. One of the reason is in order to determine the compatibility of VM backed up from the latest version of RHV server and getting restored to the older versions. Trying to restore VM on older version sound fragile. Even if this works, I don't think we test such scenarios, so this is likely to break in future versions. Also, when you say vm configuration, what specific APIs could be leveraged to get it? Still looking for answer to whether VM version information will be available or not. I hope that Ryan to help with this. Thanks & Regards, Mahesh Falmari From: Nir Soffer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 1:01 AM To: Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Arik Hadas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Martin Perina <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Yaniv Lavi (Dary) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Daniel Erez <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Nisan, Tal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Pavan Chavva <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; devel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; James Olson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Navin Tah <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Sudhakar Paulzagade <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Abhay Marode <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Suchitra Herwadkar <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Nirmalya Sirkar <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Abhijeet Barve <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: List of Queries related to RHV On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 5:03 PM Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for the prompt response on these queries. We have few follow-up queries mentioned inline. Thanks & Regards, Mahesh Falmari From: Yaniv Lavi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 7:19 PM To: Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Nir Soffer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Erez, Daniel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Tal Nisan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Pavan Chavva <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; devel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; James Olson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Navin Tah <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Sudhakar Paulzagade <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Abhay Marode <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Suchitra Herwadkar <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Nirmalya Sirkar <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Abhijeet Barve <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: List of Queries related to RHV YANIV LAVI SENIOR TECHNICAL PRODUCT MANAGER Red Hat Israel Ltd.<https://www.redhat.com/> 34 Jerusalem Road, Building A, 1st floor Ra'anana, Israel 4350109 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> T: +972-9-7692306<tel:+972-9-7692306>/8272306<tel:8272306> F: +972-9-7692223<tel:+972-9-7692223> IM: ylavi [Image removed by sender.]<https://red.ht/sig> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.<https://redhat.com/trusted> @redhatnews<https://twitter.com/redhatnews> Red Hat<https://www.linkedin.com/company/red-hat> Red Hat<https://www.facebook.com/RedHatInc> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM Mahesh Falmari <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Nir, We have few queries with respect to RHV which we would like to understand from you. 1. Does RHV maintains the virtual machine configuration file in back end? Just like we have configuration files for other hypervisors like for VMware it is .vmx and for Hyper-V, it is .vmcx which captures most of the virtual machine configuration information in that. On the similar lines, does RHV also maintains such file? If not, what is the other way to get all the virtual machine configuration information from a single API? There is a OVF storage, but this is not meant for consumption. Right, this is only for internal use. ... 3. Do we have any version associated with the virtual machine? Just like we have hardware version in case of VMware and virtual machine version in case of Hyper-V, does RHV also associate any such version with virtual machine? The HW version is based on the VM machine type. [Mahesh] Can you please elaborate more on this? How simply VM machine type going to determine it’s version? Arik, can you answer this? Regarding backup, I think you need to store the vm configuration at the time of the backup regardless of having a version or not. The amount of data is very small. 4. Is it possible to create virtual machines with QCOW2 as base disks instead of RAW? We would like to understand if there are any use cases customers prefer creating virtual machines from QCOW2 as base disks instead of RAW ones. That is a possibility in cases of thin disk on file storage. [Mahesh] Can you please elaborate more on this? Using the UI you can use qcow2 format only for thin disks on block storage. Using the SDK you can also create qcow2 image on thin file based storage. You can see examples here: https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine-sdk/blob/78c3d5bd14eeb93ef72ec31d775ff5c41f51a8c7/sdk/examples/upload_disk.py#L123 In 4.3 we plan to support qcow2 image format for both thin and preallocated disks to allow change block tracking for incremental backup. See html: https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-site/blob/bc51f4a7867d9c7e3797da6da1d19e111cd2ff67/source/develop/release-management/features/storage/incremental-backup.html.md 5. RHV Deployment What kind of deployments you have come across in the field? Does customers scale their infrastructure by adding more datacenters/clusters/nodes or they add more RHV managers? What scenarios trigger having more than one RHV manager? We are all kind with oVirt. I depends on the use case. I don't know about any stats from users, but the general idea is: - one engine - 1 or more DCs - 1 or more storage domains in a DC - 1 or more clusters per DCs - 1 or more hosts per cluster The theoretical limit is 2000 hosts per DC (limited by sanlock), but the practical limit is much lower. I don't think we have setups with more than 200 hosts. Martin, do you have more info on this? 6. Image transfer We are trying to download disk chunks using multiple threads to improve performance of reading data from RHV. Downloading 2 disk chunks simultaneously via threads should take approximately the same time. This is much more complicated to calculate. But from our observations this takes roughly 1.5 times. It sounds like a reasonable speed up. Can RHVM server requests in parallel, Yes if so are there any settings that need to be tweaked? We don't have any settings related to concurrency. Here is an example: Request 1 for chunk 1 from thread 1, Range: bytes=0-1023 Request 2 for chunk 2 from thread 2, Range: bytes=1024-2047 Takes roughly 1.5 seconds, whereas a single request would take 1 second. Expecting it to take just around 1 second. 1.5 seconds for reading 1024 bytes? [Mahesh] Seeking response to this query. The throughout you will get depends on many things: - are you communicating with the proxy (using proxy_url) or the daemon (transfer_url)? Accessing the daemon directly will be faster. - are you running on the same host as the daemon performing the transfer? - if you run on the same host, are you using unix socket? (15% improvement expected) - are you using the same connection per thread for entire transfer (huge improvement when doing small requests) - which version are you testing? we support keep alive connections only since 1.4.x. - are you using big enough requests? you will get best performance if you use one big request per thread - network bandwidth - storage speed For best throughput when downloading single disk, you should use multiple threads, each downloading one part of an image, but I'm not sure it worth the time to optimize this since backup are expected the run in the same time anyway, and you will quickly reach the storage limit while downloading disks for multiple vms on multiple hosts in the same time. I suggest testing the expected use case, not single download. 7. Free and Thaw operation For cinder based VM, API recommended for FS consistent backup. · POST /api/vms/<ID>/freezefilesystems · POST /api/vms/<ID>/thawfilesystems Why do we need this whereas it is not required for other storage? Creating a snapshot does this for you in a case where you have the oVirt guest agent install on the guest. [Mahesh] Thanks, we would also like to understand is there a way to control crash/app consistent snapshots through REST APIs? snapshots are always consistent if you have qemu guest agent installed, and the guest is using the guest agent scripts properly. Without the guest agent, or if it is not configured properly, file system will have to recover after restore, in the same way it recovers after power failure. To be able to resume a vm to the same state when the snapshot was done you need to include memory in the snapshot, but this make the snapshot much slower, depending on the amount of guest memory, and require huge amount of space, so I don't think it makes sense for backup. Regarding REST API, Arik can add more info about this. Nir
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