So another failure today.
http://jenkins.ovirt.org/job/ovirt-4.3_change-queue-tester/405/

any updates?

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:08 PM Dan Kenigsberg <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 1:57 PM Sandro Bonazzola <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno ven 22 mar 2019 alle ore 12:42 Dan Kenigsberg <
>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, 12:21 Sandro Bonazzola, <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno ven 22 mar 2019 alle ore 11:14 Dan Kenigsberg <
>>>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, 12:00 Sandro Bonazzola, <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno ven 22 mar 2019 alle ore 10:52 Dan Kenigsberg <
>>>>>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I'm repeating myself.
>>>>>>> SKIPPING TESTS IS BAD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. And having the suite failing on a broken test skipping all
>>>>>> the following tests is even worse.
>>>>>> This is why I would prefer the rest of the product being tested while
>>>>>> someone take ownership of the broken test and fix it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a good reason to rewrite OST with pytest, which continues on
>>>>> failure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patches are welcome :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not an empty gesture. The network suite came into being because
>>> of this issue (and others)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And a good reason to ping mperina on IRC to debug this. And a good
>>>>> reason not to merge new code.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't convince me that we should ignore the failure without due
>>>>> debugging.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Debugging in indeed needed but not on production system blocking the
>>>> rest of the CI. Maintainer of the test can debug it on own test 
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The product of this system are bugs. We found one. If you skip it, we
>>> all risk it being forgotten. Skipping should be rare, and happen only after
>>> the owner is found and admits that he is too busy/lazy to fix it now, and
>>> files a bug to fix it later.
>>>
>>
>> We didn't found a bug in the product we are testing, we found a bug in
>> the test that still need to be identified.
>> According to Dafna: "we are randomly failing on get_host_hooks test for
>> at least 3 weeks. its not a specific branch or project and there are no
>> commonalities that I can see,"
>> If it was a bug in the product I would have totally agreed with you, it
>> couldn't have been ignored. I'm not saying to ignore this as well.
>> Being a bug in the test itself
>>
>
> I have no idea if this is the case. NullPointerException smells like
> something coming deep from Engine's data model
>
>
>> I would rather prefer take a non reliable test off for further
>> investigation on a development environment and ensure the rest of the tests
>> are being executed in production environment finding bugs on the product if
>> there are.
>>
>
> Skip is still on the table as an option. The infra team may request us to
> use it. But we should first put the pressure on them to fix it properly.
> mperina and msobczyk are now aware of the issue; they should decide if
> they fix it now or asynchronously.
>
>
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