Purely from the proof side, I don’t think it would violate any of the current 
high-level properties (integrity, inflow, availability, functional 
correctness). If implemented correctly, of course.

Cheers,
Gerwin


On 13 Dec 2015, at 20:54, Kevin Elphinstone 
<kevin.elphinst...@nicta.com.au<mailto:kevin.elphinst...@nicta.com.au>> wrote:

The original design of the kernel was that whatever user-level service 
established the mappings (e.g. the root task) could provide the translation 
info to whomever needs it. Depending on the design of the system built on seL4, 
it could be as simple as base limit info in the case of static systems, in an 
ideal case. A mapping table in the case of fragmented allocation.

Obtaining the mapping info via system calls has the disadvantage of kernel 
entry and exit (overhead), though you could populate a mapping table with each 
call.

Also note that system calls are not necessarily accurate either in the case of 
dynamic systems, unless the mappee has some kind of contract with the mapper to 
not change the mapping, e.g. a pinning API or similar. If you have a pinning 
API, you can get the current translation info with the pin RPC.

The current frame translate method was a originally a work around an immature 
user-level that has made it “out in the wild”, so to speak.

We have not thought hard about security implications of translate on a page 
directory, as AFAIK, we had no motivation for an additional translate on top of 
an existing translate, on top of what could be done at user-level with some 
book keeping (and complexity).

-          Kevin


From: Devel [mailto:devel-bounces@sel4.systems] On Behalf Of Ben Karel
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 5:23 PM
To: devel@sel4.systems<mailto:devel@sel4.systems>
Subject: [seL4] VSpace translation?

Would any of seL4's guarantees be compromised if a Translate method were added 
to page directory objects (for mapping a virtual address to the underlying 
physical address, without exposing the intermediate page capabilities)?

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