The CRB regime is very, very stupid, expensive and a rip off (a £5 check charged at £50 - endless duplicated searches - profits to the senior police officers retirement fund, which is why they are so enthusiastic about it). If the taxpayer were not being forced to subsidise the unaccountable private company 'ACPO' though another stealth tax (subsidising charity checks) the whole CRB thing would have been done properly in the first place - and the 'unintended consequence' re: the jamborees would never have occurred. The problem isn't in the detail, it is in the fundamentals (just like with the post codes...) Paul /)/+) On 12 Oct 2009 18:14, Matt Wardman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM, paul perrin [email protected]> wrote: > > Non-commercial/not for profit - if you aren't trying to make a profit, nothing to pay... > > > I may return to this, but... > > > > > Anyhow, I am sure the scouting/guiding organisations could afford a few grand for licences if required -- just think of how much they must be forking out for CRB checks already, they raise money to cover their expenses... > > > > CRB checks are paid by the Govt for charities, but CRB regime means that the International Jamboree may be cancelled because they rely on parents and group leaders coming from overseas to help run it. > > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-vetting-rules-threaten-scout-jamboree-1801336.html> > > It is impossible to put visiting leaders/volunteers through an indeterminate length process. Bonkety-bonk. > > And we shouldn't forget the potential £1.5m from the "rain tax". http://scouts.org.uk/water It is being gradually rolled back, but what a waste of time to have to campaign against it. > > > Matt > > > > > > > Best get this sorted before they are sold off though... > > > Paul /)/+) > > > 2009/10/12 Richard Boulton [email protected]> > > > > 2009/10/12 paul perrin [email protected]>: > > > > This doesn't add up - free for 'non-commercial' use means you can innovate > > > all you like with the free data, but if you commercialise your work then you > > > need to charge a price that covers the cost of your materials. > > > > > So, as a (not completely) hypothetical example: suppose I set up a > > non-profit site to help members of the guiding organisation exchange > > postcards with other units in the UK. As part of that, I use postcode > > data to ensure that users get a reasonable spread of locations, and to > > show a map of where the other units are. As traffic grows, I need to > > get some income to cover my costs. However, as soon as I start > > putting adverts on my site, or charging a premium rate for some extra > > services, I'm a commercial organisation, so have to pay £3700 per year > > for the data I was previously allowed to use for free? Such a huge > > step would be impossible to take "organically", so I'd either have to > > get some funding from somewhere, or give up on postcode-derived > > features on my little site. Presumably, I'd also need to drop any > > cached information I had about where users were, if I'd derived that > > from postcode information. > > > > I think the problem is that there's not really a clear line between > > "commerical" and "non-commercial" in the real world - there's a > > continuum of organisations. Putting barriers up which make it harder > > for small projects to grow into full commercial organisations isn't > > going to be good for anyone, and certainly not for the wider economy. > > > > Coming back from the hypothetical, though, I'm thinking of setting up > > almost exactly such a site, and asking the users to locate their > > postcodes on openstreetmap to get a bit more crowdsourced postcode > > data... > > > > -- > > Richard > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list [email protected] > > Archive, settings, or unsubscribe: > > https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list [email protected] > > Archive, settings, or unsubscribe: > > https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public> > >
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