On 9 December 2010 20:22, Francis Irving <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 10:55:20AM +0000, Tim Morley wrote:
>> On 9 Dec 2010, at 10:16, Seb Bacon wrote:
>>
>> > The problem with this theory is the law of unintended consequences, in my 
>> > view.
>>
>> Definitely. Anyone who claims to know with any confidence where this
>> is going to lead us is either deluded or lying.
>>
>> Not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing to have done, but it's
>> going to be Interesting.
>
> Seb, you have to be careful both ways with that kind of claim.
>
> Not publishing leaked documents that you've received could just
> as easily lead to unintended consequences. And as you say, very hard
> to tell which is worse.
>
> I think it is false morality to say that the route of not being
> involved, of supposed inaction, is always superior. Inaction is just a
> different form of action.

Sure.  But it's Assange's *revolutionary logic* I find questionable,
not the principle of transparency.

The difference is between "I believe in transparency, so I will
continually lobby for it and create infrastructure and culture for
increasing it" and "I disagree with the entire current world order,
which functions on secrecy, so I will go about destroying it by
provoking it to overreact and thus delegitimise itself and cripple its
ability to function"

I disagree with many aspects of our current system, but I'm not ready
to go about attempting to destroy it without a clue about what will
happen during or after the supposed revolution.  I'm particularly
suspicious of individual revolutionaries.  <insert cautionary tale
about your favourite revolution-gone-despotic here>.

On the other hand, the debate Wikileaks has created across the media
is impressive.

>> Not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing to have done, but it's
>> going to be Interesting.

What Tim said.

Seb

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