With that combination (and a lot of work and custom code) it *is* possible to turn Organic Groups into a passable mailing list. It's not for the faint of heart however and the system we've built (for https://island.byu.edu) isn't entirely stable yet. But it's close. I'd be happy when the time comes (i.e. d.o redesign complete) help out converting g.d.o groups so they're more list-like. Speaking from experience, it does make a groups system *much* more usable if you can start / reply-to conversations via email.
--Kyle Mathews kyle.mathews2000.com/blog http://twitter.com/kylemathews On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Shai Gluskin <[email protected]> wrote: > Kieren or others, > > Doesn't a properly configured combination of: Comment mail --used-to-be > Mail2Web (http://drupal.org/node/634074), Messaging ( > http://drupal.org/project/messaging), and Notifications ( > http://drupal.org/project/notifications) get us exactly what we need? What > would a resuscitated project/og2list get us that this combination of modules > doesn't already provide? > > I'm not saying that it's a trivial installation, especially given the scale > of things. But I think, as others have hinted at, that after things settle > down and the new g.d.o is launched with the d.o. upgrade --, it will be time > advocate for improvements in the g.do. notifications system. I personally > agree with Earl that clicking on a link in an email is fine. But I think we > need to have an open discussion about what is the best notifications system > that will serve the broadest range of personal work-flows so that people > would feel comfortable dumping Mailman. > > One other point in the general discussion. Some are arguing, "I like list > serves, I want to do this kind of thing on email." Remember that all the > people who will only follow this kind of conversation via RSS are not > participating here, by definition, because Mailman doesn't do RSS. > > Shai > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Kieran Lal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jamie Holly <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Yeah I got an email from a GDO group yesterday for a message that was >> posted >> > 4 days earlier. >> > >> > But what would be really cool, though require some custom module work, >> is a >> > way to make G.D.O operate more like Google Groups. People could choose >> to >> > use the web site and/or email - ala listserv style. Of course that would >> > require pumping emails through a script handler, which can be done in >> PHP. >> > It would also be a rather sweet contrib module to allow other sites to >> do a >> > similar type system. >> >> Great idea! >> >> We started in 2005 an released it in 2006. >> http://drupal.org/project/og2list >> >> Everybody wants it but nobody wants to fund it. >> >> Kieran >> >> > >> > Jamie Holly >> > http://www.intoxination.net http://www.hollyit.net >> > >> > >> > >> > Earl Miles wrote: >> >> >> >> Until g.d.o gets actually useful email notifications, I am against >> this. >> >> >> >> Right now, g.d.o is useless to me, because the notifications system has >> >> regressed. >> >> >> >> (All we really need is good titling and threaded support, for my >> purposes. >> >> it doesn't need to *respond* to email, I'm perfectly ok with clicking a >> link >> >> to reply). >> >> >> >> Shai Gluskin wrote: >> >> > I'm pulling this out as a separate thread... >> >> > > Jenniver wrote, >> >> > > Shai Gluskin wrote: >> >> > > 3. *Move dev list to g.d.o.* [...] >> >> > > > I can sympathize with your desire to have a more searchable >> output >> >> > > > for > this list, on-line forums such as g.d.o are a huge barrier >> to > >> >> > > > participation compared to email lists. >> >> > > So if this list is moved to g.d.o and we want it to still be a >> useful >> >> > > > list with immediate feedback and lots of participants, we would >> also > >> >> > > need to provide a way for people to participate fully via email >> (i.e. > make >> >> > > it so it looks and acts just like an email list). In which case, > >> the >> >> > > threads will look/act/search like email, and I don't think we will >> > have >> >> > > solved anything. >> >> > > --Jennifer >> >> > > My issue with the search results at > >> >> > > http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/development is not the >> formatting; > it's >> >> > > the content. Searching on terms like "module development" the top > >> results >> >> > > are from March. I mean, there really is something wrong. >> >> > > Given the delays in upgrading to the new d.o. design, I'm not sure >> >> > > where > things stand. But I know there were definitely discussions >> about > >> >> > > tweaking the notifications system and also adding Mail Comment >> (formerly > >> >> > > Mail2Web): http://drupal.org/node/634074. Mail Comment would allow >> for > >> >> > > replicating list serve functionality for folks who don't want to go >> to > >> >> > > g.d.o. And again... I don't care about the formatting; I want the > >> >> > > transparency, the integration with d.o. web sites, it running on >> Drupal, > >> >> > > and also the much more personal and community feel you get at g.d.o >> with > >> >> > > user pics/profiles etc. With Mail Comment we can have the push of >> the > list >> >> > > serve but the better functionality of g.d.o. >> >> > > Shai >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >
