On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Matt Broadstone <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Zeno Albisser > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Once again from the correct address. >> >> On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Matt Broadstone <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Not that I am really interested in debating such a decision, but I'm not >> quite sure I see the noise you guys are referring to. I've been signed up >> to the webkit-qt ML for some time and it's basically just a spam service >> for status meeting bot messages (which at this point conveys very little >> information). Is there a secret place where a bunch of emails regarding qt >> webkit and webegine are ending up? Barring the existence of that, why not >> just keep the discussions on this list and keep the whole community >> involved until such a day arises that it really does become too much to >> handle here? I, for one, support a path forward where I don't have to sign >> up for another ML, and make yet another filter for my inbox ;) >> >>> >>> >> You might understand, that many people feel quite reluctant to send an >> email to a list that goes to hundreds of people instead of the relatively >> small amount of people that actually has a real interest in the project. >> The threshold for asking a question or sharing some feedback is higher. >> > > Sure, but that's just how open source works, right? I think we foster a > pretty good vibe on these MLs, people shouldn't be afraid to ask here. > > >> So instead of sending a mail, a lot of these discussions are currently >> just happening in our irc channel where people cannot easily read up on a >> discussion at all. - I don't think that's something you would be arguing >> for in favor. >> > You used to be in #qtwebengine yourself as well some time ago. That is the >> "secret place" where the information is currently going. >> > > I don't think people are asking questions on irc because they are afraid > of the big bad qt mailing list, I think it's because they can get your > attention more immediately and discuss issues in real time. > > And the best way to get a good answer is probably to go ask on the appropriate channel ;) > Also, if you consider the current webkit-qt ML spam, then you would >> probably not want that on the dev ML either. >> >> > Well yes, if what you are proposing is that you are going to have a weekly > status bot then certainly I don't think that belongs on this list. I > consider the webkit-qt ML spam because it isn't actually being used at all > (maybe realistically <= 10 emails a month from an actual user, not the > status bot, and that's generous). What I'm really getting at is that I > think we're kidding ourselves if we think that a webkit binding in whatever > incarnation isn't a core offering of Qt, and that such discussions (until > it actually does overwhelm the list) should remain as accessible as > possible. > > But it does not make sense to reason about traffic on qtwebkit. These >> are separate projects and we do obviously not discuss qtwebengine on the >> qtwebkit mailing list. Because there you would not expect it for sure. >> >> - Zeno >> >> > Matt > Personally I feel it's more a matter of categorization rather than big secrets. I'm more afraid I might miss some important emails because they're lost in a big backlog of noise. How hard can it be to set up yet another mailing list should be the real question. Given that anyone can subscribe easily [1], I don't think it's radically different from having a variety of IRC channels to discuss different topics. That being said, I am not that emotionally attached to communicating by email, and definitely not interested in arguing forever to get a list right now so if this is going to be controversial, I'm sure we can do without one for the time being. [1] http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo Cheers, -- Pierre
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