09.04.2018, 16:51, "Fanda Vacek" <fanda.va...@volny.cz>:
> On 04/06/2018 08:35 PM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:
>>  06.04.2018, 21:18, "Aleksey Kontsevich" <tantr...@ya.ru>:
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  Only one argument.
>>>
>>>>  I don't see any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have 
>>>> Sailfish OS platform upstreamed.
>>>  Just let's not miss the moment when it become upstreamed. :-) Things move 
>>> very fast recent days. Rostelecom and Russian universities make much effort 
>>> to promote and advance it. Since it is the only mobile OS certified by FSS, 
>>> and only approved by government - it will be the primary OS applications 
>>> will be developed for in government and corporate sectors where security is 
>>> a corner stone. It is sales hit in Russia currently among civilian users 
>>> (https://buyon.ru/1311520/inoi-r7/)
>>  Really? Almost nobody is aware of its existence, even in IT circles, and 
>> the only device can be bought in one place. AFAIK it has no presence in 
>> mobile shops
>
> You can buy Sony Xperia X and install SailfishOS X on it, I did it this
> way. Sony Xperia XA2 port is on the way.

https://shop.jolla.com/ says "Sorry, not available in your country"

>
>>>  and become upstreamed very fast with and like Russia become upstreamed 
>>> already and become much more developed in nearest future.
>>>
>>>  Or You mean upstreamed in QtProject? :-) Let's make it upstream then! :-)
>>>
>>>  Agree with the rest.
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Best regards,
>>>  Aleksey
>>>  Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich
>>>
>>>  06.04.2018, 18:40, "Alexander Akulich" <akulichalexan...@gmail.com>:
>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>    I highly doubt that it can be done as a part of GSoC and I don't see
>>>>    any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have Sailfish OS
>>>>    platform upstreamed. We just need this style to make QQC2 applications
>>>>    look native on Sailfish OS. I think that we'll have to rely on
>>>>    closed-yet components and the style is not going to look nice with
>>>>    mocks.
>>>>
>>>>    That said, I see a number of issues and I hope that we'll discuss and
>>>>    agree on some changes to the QQC2 API:
>>>>    1) I would like to propose ComboDelegate — a pair of ComboBox and
>>>>    Label, combined in a platform-specific way (similar to CheckDelegate
>>>>    and RadioDelegate).
>>>>    2) We also need a delegate to display a label and an associated value.
>>>>    It is named "DetailItem" in Silica, but I would agree to go with a
>>>>    name like ValueDelegate.
>>>>    3) Yet another point is that we need to properly style delegate
>>>>    descriptions, so I want to propose "description" property at least for
>>>>    Combo, Radio and Switch delegates (we even don't have a 'buddy'
>>>>    property here, though it still would be very hacky to go in this way).
>>>>
>>>>    Probably it makes sense to start another thread to discuss Qt Quick
>>>>    Controls 2 API, but I need at least three weeks to think and
>>>>    experiment with what we have right now. :-)
>>>>
>>>>    My work is available at
>>>>    https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle (compatible with Qt
>>>>    5.9 and 5.10), but I don't think that it can be interesting for anyone
>>>>    in its current shape.
>>>>
>>>>    On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Alexey Andreyev
>>>>    <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>     Got it, thank you, Mitch! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes, I have contacted Jolla devs, got answer:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      Providing Sailfish support for Qt Quick Controls 2 would definitely 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>     valuable. Sailfish OS cannot build app ecosystem alone, and 
>>>>>> improving the
>>>>>>     cross-platform story would help us getting Qt app contributions from 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>     platforms, and help 3rd party developers target multiple platforms 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>     Android and iOS with the same code base.
>>>>>>     You are free to use what license you choose, but I would recommend
>>>>>>     something permissive like BSD3 or LGPL2, which we also use in 
>>>>>> Sailfish OS
>>>>>>     open source side
>>>>>     Silica Componets source is not public, yes :( But I've got device 
>>>>> where I
>>>>>     have all up-to-date qml files and I'm it as hint.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I've also played to run armv7h binaries from device repos (rpm 
>>>>> packages) on
>>>>>     archlinuxarm (wrote PKGBUILDs) with all the deps and some hacky qt5 
>>>>> linkage
>>>>>     address patching for .so lib, it staring and not crashing but asking 
>>>>> for
>>>>>     more deps yet (like image resources deps, so work in progress)
>>>>>
>>>>>     Alexander Akulich (Kaffeine) from Open Mobile Platform is helping me 
>>>>> a lot
>>>>>     too, he recently created:
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle
>>>>>
>>>>>     So I'm going to contribute there.
>>>>>
>>>>>     For now current state is:
>>>>>
>>>>>     5.10 private API chaged compating to 5.9:
>>>>>     
>>>>> https://github.com/qt/qtquickcontrols2/commit/b18b6375d170ce02dc5a627bfb69ca49046ee05c#diff-7467cf01ad998520d6d9d2995867e8e2
>>>>>
>>>>>     Alexander is testing with 5.9 LTS on SailfishOS
>>>>>     and me with archlinuxarm 5.10
>>>>>     so I'm thinking now how to provide better compabilty for both :)
>>>>>
>>>>>     looks like #ifdef approarch is not helping yet, should investigate 
>>>>> more time
>>>>>
>>>>>     2018-04-06 15:47 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     We think this would be best in a repo outside of 
>>>>>> qtquickcontrols2.git.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The process for creating a playground repo is documented here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>> http://wiki.qt.io/Creating_a_new_module_or_tool_for_Qt#Getting_started_with_new_ideas_on_Qt_Project.27s_Playground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Have you discussed this project with the Sailfish devs, by the way?
>>>>>>     Perhaps they would be interested in integrating your efforts 
>>>>>> upstream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     One potential problem I see is that it seems that the source code is 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>     public:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>> https://together.jolla.com/question/6780/request-sourcecode-for-silica-core-components/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The closest thing is this repo, which doesn’t seem to be complete:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     How do you plan on implementing the style in light of this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Speaking for myself: I would be happy to answer any questions you 
>>>>>> may have
>>>>>>     with regards to implementing a Controls 2 style, but I don’t think I 
>>>>>> can put
>>>>>>     aside enough time to be a mentor for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>     Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2018 2:14 PM
>>>>>>     To: Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru>
>>>>>>     Cc: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>; development@qt-project.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt
>>>>>>     Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi, Aleksey Kontsevich! Thank you for your support, I do agree that
>>>>>>     Sailfish OS is receiving a huge contribution from Russian speaking
>>>>>>     developers and focusing on other local markets too. There's also 
>>>>>> related
>>>>>>     AsteroidOS community about smartwatches. They have a demo [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Talking about popularity: from my point of view, while Microsoft is
>>>>>>     providing their Metro unified look for desktop and Intel-based 
>>>>>> tablets (and
>>>>>>     Xbox) for example, looks like they do not have any plans for new 
>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>>     devices (I mean arm-based) to provide. While Sailfish OS is mobile 
>>>>>> OS with
>>>>>>     GSM-stack support for real arm-based systems. [1] Correct me if I'm 
>>>>>> wrong, I
>>>>>>     do not want to mislead anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Mitch Curtis, thank you for your feedback sincerely. I do understand 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>     skepticism about yet another controls in mainline to support. (but I 
>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>     share this personally :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I'm new to qqc2 internals. I've cloned qtquickcontrols2 repo 5.10.1 
>>>>>> brach
>>>>>>     (to play on my Arch Linux system). Dependency from some private APIs 
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>     tricky for me at first glance. I'm trying to sort out. I'm not 
>>>>>> against
>>>>>>     providing silica style as some custom repo, the result I want to get 
>>>>>> is open
>>>>>>     source solution to run Qt application in my personal environment 
>>>>>> with native
>>>>>>     Silica look and feel. Will be happy to get any hints about basic 
>>>>>> repo draft
>>>>>>     in that case (should I look at Kirigami approach?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Anyway, as I wrote at my GSoC proposal, GSoC campaign is just money
>>>>>>     support, I love Silica style, using Sailfish OS for several years 
>>>>>> and can't
>>>>>>     stand that no one is willing to port it to modern QQC2 approach :) I 
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>     it could radically change skepticism about qt quick controls 
>>>>>> approach in
>>>>>>     general from ios and android developers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd86KTs2Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [2]: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     2018-04-03 13:38 GMT+03:00 Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi all, my 2 cents here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     >The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica 
>>>>>> style
>>>>>>     > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing 
>>>>>> apps for the
>>>>>>     >Sailfish OS).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Sailfish OS become VERY popular in Russia and in Latin America, and 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>     people who wants their data and communication be secure. Market in 
>>>>>> Russia
>>>>>>     growing very fast, Sailfish OS devices are hits of sales, leading
>>>>>>     universities created courses for Sailfish OS, government certified
>>>>>>     it for corporate and government use and since 2019 all mobile 
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>     from national software list (government and corporate use) should 
>>>>>> work in
>>>>>>     Sailfish OS (according to import replacing law all applications 
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>     Russian-native and secure).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>>>     Aleksey
>>>>>>     Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     03.04.2018, 13:13, "Mitch Curtis" <mitch.cur...@qt.io>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Hi Alexey.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica 
>>>>>> style
>>>>>>     > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing 
>>>>>> apps for the
>>>>>>     > Sailfish OS).
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > For each style we currently have, I would justify their inclusion 
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>     > qtquickcontrols2.git for the following reasons:
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Default - extremely high performance at the cost of a very basic
>>>>>>     > appearance. Tries to be neutral in terms of looks.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Fusion - bridges the gap in terms of Desktop styling. An 
>>>>>> additional/more
>>>>>>     > specific point that I think it is important here is that the 
>>>>>> controls are
>>>>>>     > more compact (smaller) than any other pre-built style we offer 
>>>>>> (the Material
>>>>>>     > style has a dense variant now, but that’s still larger if I recall
>>>>>>     > correctly).
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Imagine - puts power in the hands of designers, frees up time for
>>>>>>     > developers.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Material - very relevant in terms of Android market share. Looks 
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>     > nice; a good candidate for “non-native” cross-platform apps.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Universal - relevant in terms of Windows market share.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > As mentioned, I do think the Silica controls look nice, but that’s 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>     > only justification I could think of for including them in
>>>>>>     > qtquickcontrols2.git. For each new style we add, the maintenance 
>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>     > increases, so this is something that we need to consider.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > What is your opinion on this?
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Cheers.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>     > Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 8:49 PM
>>>>>>     > To: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>
>>>>>>     > Cc: development@qt-project.org
>>>>>>     > Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] 
>>>>>> Qt
>>>>>>     > Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Thank you Mitch for the feedback!
>>>>>>     > I've also tried to record current controls on a real device:
>>>>>>     > https://youtu.be/T-qUZMuTGqw (hope not only 360p will be available 
>>>>>> soon)
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > 2018-03-23 21:55 GMT+03:00 Alexey Andreyev
>>>>>>     > <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>     >> Silica cheat sheet:
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> 
>>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/component_cheatsheet.png
>>>>>>     >> Theme cheat sheet:
>>>>>>     >> 
>>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/theme_cheatsheet.png
>>>>>>     >> Icon reference:
>>>>>>     >> 
>>>>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/icon_reference.png
>>>>>>     >> code example:
>>>>>>     >> 
>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/jaymzznoori/a980314f8248e0a1e7904c29c88ecdf3
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> Youtube video with timestamp for platform-specific PulleyMenu 
>>>>>> element
>>>>>>     >> example: https://youtu.be/jByW7UNmbxU?t=11m38s
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> 2018-03-23 21:40 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>:
>>>>>>     >>> Hello.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Are there any screenshots of it? I read that entire page and the
>>>>>>     >>> Silica docs but couldn’t see anything.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Cheers.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> From: Development
>>>>>>     >>> [mailto:development-bounces+mitch.curtis=qt...@qt-project.org] 
>>>>>> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>     >>> Alexey Andreyev
>>>>>>     >>> Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 5:39 PM
>>>>>>     >>> To: development@qt-project.org
>>>>>>     >>> Subject: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt
>>>>>>     >>> Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Hello!
>>>>>>     >>> My name is Alexey, what do you think about Silica Style for QQC2 
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>     >>> gsoc project?
>>>>>>     >>> I have some notes here: http://aa13q.ru/qqc2-silica-style-en/
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> and want to create a proposal.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>
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