On Monday 29 December 2003 05:37 pm, Dick Morrell wrote: > Quoting Mike Sensney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Sigh. If you really want to think so then so be it. This is a developer's > > list. > > It is for people who actually write code to discuss problems they are > > having and > > to discuss what they are considering. Others who are not developers > > should stay > > quiet unless the developers ask for input or help testing. > > Mike did you have a bad morning. If you knew anything about software > development you'd not actually talk like this. Abrasion doesnt happy beta > and peer review testers beckon. > > Thats possibly the most anal and ill considered email I've read in about 4 > yrs. If you'd posted that on any of the lists I moderate I'd have kicked > your ass.
I wish you would have sent this to me off list. But since you did I will answer on list also. Yes, I 've had a headache all day and that has made me short tempered. And you're right that I shouldn't have been so short with Bob. So I apologize to the list and to Bob. However I will point out three things. The first is I tried to answer Bob previously as honestly as I could as to why that previous thread should be stopped. He decided to nit pick my answer instead of taking it to heart. I shouldn't have been surprised. He answered you the same vein when you suggested to him to "Please stop name calling and grow up" in a previous exchange. The second is that this developer's list is hosted by Mitel and that Mitel has repeatedly stated that this list is not a debating list nor a help list. In short, my prior post while blunt, was also a fairly accurate summation this list's policy. If I am wrong then I'm sure the Mitel folk will correct me. The third thing is that the survival of this distribution depends entirely on keeping the base properly patched against security holes. If this isn't done then nothing else will matter. Period. Mitel is facing this same problem and I'm sure they will devote the required resources to do so. They will release the modified GPL source to their retail customers when requested. But they don't have to release those updates to us because we aren't a retail customer. Even if we do get the updated source RPMs from a retail customer, Mitel does not have to help us tweak them to work with SME 6.0. And under no circumstances will they ever have to release their updated and proprietary e-smith-* packages. Would it be nice for us to have the continued help and good will of the folk from Mitel? Definitely. But from this point on it will be entirely voluntary on their part. Can we survive without their help? Sure. But it will be a lot harder. If someone annoys them enough they may decide to go away. I for one don't want that to happen. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
