On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:37:48 -0700 Nick Tarleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:27 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> The user himself can add bookmarks using the Bookmark Manager. >> And if there aren't any bookmarks defined, instead of showing an >> empty "Bookmarks" box, the Web Interface could display a message >> on how to find some keys to start with, e.g. "You could google >> for 'freenet ssk'". > > Don't we want Freenet to be as self contained as possible, without > all the issues of depending on the regular web for anything besides > initial download?
Ah, so we already *have* to access the regular web to start at all? Interesting... Yes I know. Distribution servlet! How about providing the initial bookmarks only by the distribution servlet? So every node operator can decide with which bookmarks he wants to feed to the newbie. And it's unlikely that the operator provides questionable bookmarks as they are tied to his IP address. But wait; there was already some talk on this list regarding the distribution of bookmarks.... > And won't newbies get somewhat annoyed by this step? Imagine if, > when you first got Internet service, you were advised to call > friends to ask for good websites to start you off. Newbies know that Freenet has that "aura of conspiracy" and so they wouldn't wonder that much if they first have to do some detective work to get some initial bookmarks. Maybe that even augments the suspense? We could give the newbie a bunch of starting points: - search the web for e.g. "freenet ssk" or "freenet chk" - Chat! Come to freenode IRC #freenet... - Install Frost (weblink) and ask... - Install FMB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and ask... > Why not have one-shot and edition freesites there too, with basic > directories and help information? That's perfectly okay by me. But AFAIR Ian wants to have only DBR sites on the Web Interface. Hmmm, we could add a 10-years-DBR. ;) >> Some old reasons to have no bookmarks on the Web Interface: >> >> - Legal issues. If I were a bored lawyer I'd try to sue Freenet >> for linking to sites that link to child pornography. Be it legal >> or not, it would make too much fuss Freenet shouldn't have to >> face. > > There is unlikely to be much way to get around this. Around what? Linking to sites that link to sites that link to sites ... (etc) ... that contain illegal material? Right, there is only one way at all: Not to link at all! That's what I want when I say "Don't ship FProxy with bookmarks". > SeXe42k (or whatever he calls it now), for one, has > both illegal porn and interesting non-adult material, > and is heavily linked to. And you'd have to push TFE, > TFEE, YoYo, and other non-censored directories down > into the underworld to avoid the charge that you are > linking to them. And the chances of that happening > are a joke. Yes, let's all hope that it is a joke when they are really after us. Just like I said. It doesn't matter if it is legal or not to link to sites that link to sites etc... It *is* a way to (successfully or not) attack Freenet and its developers and could make unnecessary trouble. Currently I have the impression that with only 3 clicks from the Web Interface you get to questionable material. That is a very nice thing for the 9 o'clock news. "Install Freenet and child porn is only 3 clicks away!" Well anyway. I think Ian is well aware of the possible threat but he wants to keep the initial bookmarks as long as possible because of user friendliness. jnk -- my pending wishes :) ?offset= http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/4499/ avoid antiNGR http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/6873/ Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
