On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +0000, Ian Clarke spake thusly:
> When and who "scoffed"?  Quotes please.  I was carefully picking through 
> the NGR code and encouraging others to do-so.  The scientific method is 
> to conduct an experiment, and see whether things improve.  To the extent 
> a scientific method can reasonably be followed with Freenet, it is.

toad, last week I think. I don't have the IRC logs hanging around.

> By that argument almost none of non-symbolic AI would work since 
> frequently it finds solutions to problems which are extremely difficult 
> for people to decipher.

But people understand how those things work and they know what they are
supposed to do and they usually know when they are actually working. There
is code in freenet which actively promotes specialization and which routes
to other nodes based on their specialization betting that the chances of
that node having the data are greater than others. That stuff does not yet
seem to be working. Don't get me wrong, I'm patient and I know this stuff
is hard. I just don't want anyone to think freenet meets expectations for
a functioning network. :)

> Can you find information in a scalable manner?  Lets, for the sake of 
> argument, assume you can.  What is the CHK of the information at the 
> center of your specialization?

You almost confused me a second time because I was about to pull up my
datastore histogram. You asked me this question on IRC once. I'll tell you
the same thing I told you then: Linux is the "CHK" or "key" of the
information at the center of my specialization. Logistics and aircraft
maintenance is the CHK of my fathers. Networking is the CHK of my
roommates. I know what they specialize in and I route to them
appropriately when I need something in that area. If nobody specialized in
anything in the real world we would have problems. 

> You obviously aren't very familiar with non-symbolic AI.  Examples would 
> include anything that relies on a neural network (such as those that 
> analyze your credit card transactions to spot fraud), or a genetic 
> algorithm.

No, I'm not. But I bet that when people write code for non-symbolic AI
they know how the code is supposed to work and what the end result should
look like. The credit card company expects their code to actually find
fraud.  If it didn't appear to turn up fraud and the programmer said, "Oh,
this is just non-obvious fraud" he wouldn't be taken very seriously. :)

-- 
Tracy Reed
http://copilotconsulting.com

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