Take this suggestion for what its worth (as my opinion currently holds
none in this conversation.)   Don't make any release with the current
stable build, nor any NGR build for that matter.  In my humble opinion
this would be the single biggest mistake the project could possibly
make.  Ian, You often make reference to the experience a first time user
has with freenet.  I concur and would hope others reading this thread
will understand how valuable their first impression of freenet can be to
the project.

The reality is the current stable build is, *cough* most likely on par
with ngr's performance and reliability in delivering content to the
user.   I've used both quite a bit and for the life of me I cant find
any difference between the two.  

There have been a number of people reporting success with the current
stable network, unfortunately this wonderful sensation likely only lasts
for about an hour.   I'll make mention that the original author of this
thread spent some time tonight on IRC describing the pains he was having
trying to relieve the monumental load placed on his node with no success
as far as I could tell.  

If any person on this list does not believe me.. I would suggest getting
yourself on stable and letting your node run for a few hours
(pleeeeeeeeease dont get on here and tell me how great your node is
running after 15 minutes and 300 queries)  The proof is in the pudding
and unfortunately I have the pudding sitting right in front of me.  I
would be more than happy to be proven wrong.   

I'm dreaming that there are no load problems? Content retrieval is next
to impossible?  Wish I were wrong about those two but I'm not.

My suggestion.  Rebrand one of the "golden age" builds (ie.
pre-pcache/nio) as the "New and Improved Freenet"... release that to the
public, make $$$, and continue work on ngr.

Ignore all of this if there's some master to plan to fix all of the load
and retrieval problems before the imminent release...  Dont let this
mistake happen for the sake of the projects future.

Shalom, 
Robert.

On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 19:18, Ian Clarke wrote:
> Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> > I still think its a good idea to invest some toadtime into polishing it 
> > before 0.5.3, but so far its kicking ass.
> 
> That is good news, and yes - I suspect there are a few things that need 
> to be tidied up (for example, didn't someone mention that acquisition of 
> new refs was borked?).
> 
> Ideal scenario is to get 0.5.3 working nicely (perhaps releasing 
> 0.5.3rc1 in a week), release it, get $$$, and then start figuring out 
> what is wrong with NGR using a careful scientific process rather than 
> the somewhat haphazard approach we have been taking.
> 
> Ian.
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