Matthew Toseland skrev: > On Wednesday 17 June 2009 16:26:40 Zero3 wrote: >> Matthew Toseland skrev: >>> On Wednesday 17 June 2009 09:54:18 Zero3 wrote: >>>> Matthew Toseland skrev: >>>>> On Tuesday 16 June 2009 21:53:09 Zero3 wrote: >>>>>> Matthew Toseland skrev: >>>>>>> On Sunday 14 June 2009 14:24:39 Zero3 wrote: >>>>>>>> a) On the front page of the website: A "What is Freenet?" teaser >>>>>>>> linking >>>>>>>> to the "What is Freenet?" page would be cool. Confusedly started to >>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>> the news item instead. (She should have spotted the "News" headline, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> I agree on the teaser) >>>>>>> I think originally the reason for putting news on the main page was >>>>>>> that a lot of people check back on the website repeatedly, looking for >>>>>>> new stuff (i.e. news) ?: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree we should have some basic explanation and link on the home page >>>>>>> though ... I am not quite sure whether just copying the first para from >>>>>>> "What is Freenet" as Dieppe has done is sufficient? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Freenet is free software which lets you publish and obtain information >>>>>>> on the Internet without fear of censorship. To achieve this freedom, >>>>>>> the network is entirely decentralized and publishers and consumers of >>>>>>> information are anonymous. Without anonymity there can never be true >>>>>>> freedom of speech, and without decentralization the network will be >>>>>>> vulnerable to attack." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Followed by a link to learn more, a download link and news. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this sufficiently comprehensible to newbies? I guess so, but it >>>>>>> doesn't really answer the question! >>>>>> I think it's quite good actually! I think "Without anonymity there can >>>>>> never be true freedom of speech") is a bit subjective though. >>>>> Alternatives? Clearly anonymity is a direct consequence of the overriding >>>>> goal of thwarting censorship. >>>> Ala "The anonymity of Freenet makes true freedom of speech possible" >>> Freenet is free software which lets you anonymously share files, browse and >>> publish "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on >>> forums, without fear of censorship. Freenet is decentralised to make it >>> less vulnerable to attack. >>> >>> Or even: >>> >>> Freenet is free software which lets you anonymously share files, browse and >>> publish "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on >>> forums, without fear of censorship. Freenet is decentralised to make it >>> less vulnerable to attack, and if used in "darknet" mode, where users only >>> connect to their friends, is very difficult to detect. >>> >>> ??? >> Sounds better to me. > > Okay, I have pushed that one. One possible criticism is that it does not > emphasise censorship resistance enough. The old version makes it very clear > that our key goal is to resist censorship and everything else flows from that. > > 'Freenet is free software which lets you share files, browse and publish > "freesites" (web sites accessible only through Freenet) and chat on forums, > without fear of censorship. To prevent censorship, users are anonymous, and > Freenet is decentralised. If used in "darknet" mode, where users only connect > to their friends, it is very difficult to detect or block.' > > ???
Sounds fine to me. >>>>>>>> Very annoying to be asked to install a second >>>>>>>> browser. In this case, a third (using FF with IE as backup. And user >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> asked not to use IE). More FUD about history leaks. >>>>>>> FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Unfortunately, the warnings >>>>>>> about browser history stealing are factually true. Perhaps there is an >>>>>>> argument for not naming such attacks if this intimidates people? Is the >>>>>>> problem with IE important? There are possibilities for working around >>>>>>> it, there has never been much enthusiasm for implementing them (even >>>>>>> from ian who tends to be usability oriented). >>>>>> Exactly. The user is fears the consequences of history leaks and is >>>>>> uncertain what he ought to do, and thereby doubts his security and >>>>>> privacy using Freenet. >>>>> He knows what he needs to do - use a separate browser. Don't we make that >>>>> clear? It may be annoying but it is clear, no? >>>> It is indeed very clear, but as you say, also damn annoying. If >>>> possible, I think we should avoid annoying the user. >>> Well, any suggestions you may have... afaics the best option on windows is >>> to run Chrome in incognito mode, and tell the wizard not to show the >>> warning. But in that case we need to warn the user if they ever use another >>> browser - and we can't tell the difference between Chrome in incognito mode >>> and Chrome not in incognito mode, so I think we should display the warning >>> anyway, we just need to rewrite it a bit for the case where we are using >>> Chrome in incognito mode: >>> >>> "You must always use a browser with incognito mode for Freenet! >>> >>> You are currently using Freenet through Chrome in incognito mode. This >>> should be safe. You should always access Freenet using Chrome in incognito >>> mode, or through a browser you do not using for normal web browsing. The >>> Browse Freenet link on the start menu should use Chrome in incognito mode, >>> and so should be safe. Most browsers will work well with Freenet, except >>> for Internet Explorer. >>> >>> Click here to continue." >>> >>> ??? >> I don't think we should display a warning when the user is browsing in >> incognito mode. When the user is not (or we don't know for sure), we >> could do it. > > How could we ever know for sure? If the user opens Freenet using the link and > then starts browsing it using regular Chrome, there is no way to detect this, > for example. On top of my head: Let the launcher load http://127.0.0.1:8888/?incognito=true. Fproxy should remember this via a session cookie (that gets deleted when the user exits his browser, obviously), and redirect to http://127.0.0.1:8888/. That should prevent obvious copy+paste/bookmarks that could be opened in non-incognito mode later on. - Zero3 _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [email protected] http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
