On 19/10/10 21:20, xor wrote: > [snip] > > Also, the fact should be mentioned that most of our money comes from a > single, > large donor and I don't want to imagine what would happen if they looked at > our bugtracker so we should really clean the damn thing up while nobody has > noticed that we give a shit about bug reports. > > - I am damn serious when I say "INSANE", we are in the science & computer age > and yet we don't do proper project management at all. > We should try to behave like engineers and not like children who always just > run towards the next most colorful piece of candy. (Which we do, we > continuously keep implementing new stuff instead of fixing the old stuff > because > programming new stuff is fun) >
I totally agree with this. I also think a major reason for it, is because of the current attitude that toad/sanity have towards releases, namely that we should try to get as much media attention as possible. I'm not saying that media attention is a bad thing, but we're letting it affect the development process too much. It puts a lot of unnecessary pressure on these "colourful pieces of candy". There's also the implicit attitude that more users will magically attract more devs, who will magically bring good management to the project. I can't imagine the logic behind this, there's too many jumps. So, I think a good way to address the problem of the bugtracker would be to re-think the current attitude towards releases. We want more users; however, many things that are needed to sustain this project in the long run **won't directly attract users** - doesn't mean we can skip or ignore them. TL;DR: balanced diet w.r.t. candy vs vitamins etc. X N.B I'm making judgements about "attitude" based on these quotes: - (21:50:45) sanity: infinity0: well, we get more devs in-part through publicity, and also through users. a release helps with both of those thigns - (22:49:17) toad_: infinity0: we can always change [the current messy API], what matters is USERS - (22:50:28) toad_: infinity0: why? code quality is not what gets us new users - (22:53:53) toad_: [...] [major new feature]'s worth a month if it works and gets us new users more rapidly when we do release - (23:54:01) sanity: i think if we do [the release] right we can tell a very interesting story about freetalk[...] -- GPG: 4096R/5FBBDBCE _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [email protected] http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
