On Monday 22 Jul 2013 19:11:05 Robert Hailey wrote:
> 
> On 2013/07/22 (Jul), at 12:53 PM, Robert Hailey wrote:
> 
> > It may be that Freenet cannot "win" in the p2p paranoia market until it 
> > makes that [communication] workflow trivial
> 
> At the risk of diverting attention away from (or confusing the ideas of) my 
> former discussion of using yubi for opennet refs... and furthermore risking 
> sounding like a yubikey shill....
> 
> I wonder if it is possible to make darknet connections in this manner:
> 
> [suppose I'm at a friends house, and through conversation find interest in 
> secure communication with him]
> (1) download/activate freenet on his computer,
> (2) navigate to the [originally empty] "darknet peers" section,
> (3) plugging in my "freenet [yubi] key",
> (4) activating the yubikey somehow forms a darknet link (to my computer) from 
> his side, and
> (5) he can get a yubikey later
> 
> I know that it is possible to store a constant string in one of the two 
> yubikey modes (short press & long press), but I'm not sure it can fit a full 
> darknet ref... (and even then, I would need his node ref too). Arghh.

That's more or less what the smartphone app is for.

On Monday 22 Jul 2013 19:21:40 Victor Denisov wrote:
> > But let us not forget what I consider to be more common use case (for
> > which we are not optimized and has nothing to do with child porn)...
> > 
> > I have a friend, and would like to communicate with him/her
> > "securely" in an email or instant-message like way.
> 
> This is trivial without Freenet - just exchange your PGP keys and send
> each other encrypted email. And I believe a number of XMPP clients also
> support PGP encryption, solving the need for secure one-on-one and group
> communications.

It's not trivial in practice. It's surprisingly difficult to securely exchange 
files or fingerprints. So much so that it's largely limited to geek 
conferences. Hence the smartphone app.

I do think that e.g. a Jabber gateway and other pure f2f stuff would be useful 
within Freenet.

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