Am Dienstag, 3. November 2015, 10:04:44 schrieb Bob Ham: > Despite having extremely limited manpower, the Hurd developers have > managed to document and organise, in a useful way on a wiki, all of the > issues (not bug reports) which stand in the way of achieving the > project's goals. They then go about dealing with those issues. You may > have seen that they very recently made a new release, version 0.7.
The Hurd is a very bad example to use. I used to contribute to its documentation and the wiki and until a few years ago most Hurd development went on in a silo, unnoticed by the general public. I can’t count the hours I spent (along with others), helping to dig it out of that hole. We reworked the website you call informative, making it marketable — just like what we now did for Freenet, but addressing another audience: privacy aware users (thanks to gerard!). We added stuff like “what’s the current status”. I wrote use-cases (the translator-introduction you see when you boot the Hurd is from me). And I wrote countless issues of the Month of the Hurd. But the thing which was most important to the project was to say “fuck it, we’re not trying another L4, Coyotos or Viengoos. We take what we have now and make it work well. We are GNU Hurd on GNU Mach, and people can test our releases”. People sat down and made the thing which existed nicer literally bit by bit. Debugging old code, polishing file system layers, porting tons of programs which used MAX_PATH macros; all the non-shiny things. That wasn’t all which happened. People also did pretty interesting work. But what really affected usability was the hard work poured into the system. Now you show the Hurd as an example and tell us that you want us to spec our protocol instead of making Freenet more useful to its users; instead of polishing the rough edges, building useful tools, making possible use-cases work nicely, and so forth. What you do is derailing the project: “You have no plan, follow mine!” And that’s not helpful. If you want the Freenet protocol specified, go spec it. If you want to help Freenet in the most efficient way, help us polish what we have. Best wishes, Arne
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