IE (Windows) has a documented COM-based mechanism for creating freenet://
URLs. Microsoft uses it quite extensively (MSDN mk: URLs, outlook:// urls,
res:// URLs for system messages, et id genus omne), and Napster B7 uses it
for nap: URLs. (Try typing nap:whatever into your IE browser with Napster
installed.) Netscape doesn't support that mechanism, but Mozilla is open
source...

Yehuda


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:freenet-dev-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Oskar
Sandberg
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:52 PM
To: freenet-dev at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freenet-dev] Plans for Client


On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Vesa Salento wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Brandon wrote:
> >
> > > So - the proxy/servlet will have to convert all instances of
'freenet:..'
> > > in the returned text (when the MIME type is text/html) to
> > > 'http://localhost:<some-port>/..' or 'http://freenet/..' if we use an
HTTP
> > > proxy.  Ug-ly.
> >
> > The cgi client (FCRC) interprets relative links as links into Freenet.
It
> > works well.
>
> This conversation of using browsers and http to get files from the Freenet
> is IMO somewhat questionable. This would mean at least for most of Windows
> users that they would type the key to the browser and after that I suppose
> there is no use of talking about anonymous or secure transfers.

If the browser is being used as a front end to display the information, and
is
only connecting to your own Freenet node, it has no impact on security.
Since
hypertext happens to be a very good interface and the perfect decentralized
namespace, we would be idiots NOT to provide for a way for people to surf
freenet using existing hypertext browsers.

There are limits of course. A freenet browser would have to refuse to load
any images or other data not on freenet imbedded in a freenet document, and
warn
before following links to other non-freenet documents, since somebody could
insert links to a monitored site in order to identify people reading a
document.
Most browsers already warn when entering and leaving SHTTP, so there is no
reason Freenet can't work the same way.

> I don't know what is the current situation but I don't much trust the IE
> and since we cannot be sure how browsers work and what kind of information
> they collect or how vulnerable they are now (or in the future) I don't
> like this thing at all. In the worst case there would be a reference to
> every file you have requested on the browsers history file and I don't
> like that kinds of things.

There are plenty of good reasons to be paranoid in the world, but thinking
that
MS is spying on you with IE is just silly. If big evil Bill is out to get
you
and you are running Windows, he might as well put in code to spy on a
dedicated
Freenet app as well. All browsers I have used allow one to turn off cache
and
history if one is worried about that.

If you don't trust Microsoft, you shouldn't be running your life with
software
who's workings they purposely keep hidden from you.

> I'd suggest that we implement our own clients and before making any
> plugins for other softwares it is needed to discuss whether that will
> compromise the goals of this project.

Peoples security choices are there own responsibility. The wise user of
Freenet
will use a browser it can trust (Mozilla, Galeon, Konquerer, lynx) with a
safe
configuration. The unwise user should wisen up or nothing we do will be able
to
help him.


> Vesa
>
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