On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Signal 11 wrote:

> > Indeed. And what is wrong with that?? Very good to start with in the
> 
> Whoah. Back up partner - nobody took a dig at your holy OS of choice.

Sounded that way to me. I must be too sensitive.

> > Why do you think that? I did not! However, I did ask netstat to give
> 
> Well.. it was bound to all three.. generally people who specify
> don't bind to 127.0.0.1 unless they're also using a firewall and
> are using a pair of DNS servers running to seperate external from
> internal queries.

It is bound to all interfaces, when you specify nothing. So? Just one
named running, gives what my netstat output gave.

> > Come on, you must be joking. 212.238.105.241 is the real IP of a
> > dialup. It resolves to demon.nl. I am with Demon NL. NL stands for The
> 
> At one time it was.. "oldserver.demon.nl" ?? 

At one time? Have you access to earlier versions of demon.nl's
zones? It still does resolve to oldserver.demon.nl. If you do not
believe me, send me mail :-)

> Doesn't sound very
> dialup-ish. Then again, not being a customer of Demon does put me at
> a disadvantage. =)

It does, because it is a very good ISP here in NL (not NZ, but you got
that in the mean time). It gives you an IP and a hostname. Still, it
is a dialup.

> > I connect with over ISDN. Any other FreeBSD box with a normal install
> > would look the same, give or take one or two lines (like port 53 and 
> > nfs related ports).
> 
> I doubt it because this one has two ethernet cards. the "10 net"
> is not part of the internet, hence you assigned it yourself, 
> presumably to allow other machines on your home LAN access to your
> ISDN line. It is a firewall, if albeit a crude one. That's my
> edumukated guess.

It does nat sometimes. Just one ethernet card though. The other one is
the PPP to Demon. Nevertheless as far as ports are concerned (the
on-topic topic), it does look like any other standard FreeBSD box.

> > > Do I get a prize?
> > 
> > Yes! The URL for more information about FreeBSD (and lists where to
> > download it): http://www.freebsd.org/
> 
> Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Daemons look cooler than
> penguins... 

I tried some slightly more clever arguments in favour... Ah, forget
it. OS-flame-war follow-up to marc at oldserver.demon.nl.

> but nobody can argue that there's more apps available
> for linux than the *BSDs. Not only that, but my copy of Spice is
> linux/NT only right now. :(

All (minus one or two) apps that run on linux run on FreeBSD. Didn't
you install the linux emulation port when you tried it? So no-apps is
no excuse for not running FreeBSD. It might be for Open- or Net-.

There is also no excuse for presuming that every user of a unix runs
the Linux shell bash. Which brings us to a more on-topic topic:
please, get bash out of freenet_server. For portability, sh, please.

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| Marc Schneiders --- http://venster.nl --- http://bijt.net | 
| FreeBSD: Unleash the Power of the Daemon in your Computer |
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