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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 0.3.7 (Mr.Bad)
2. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Tavin Cole)
3. Re: 0.3.7 (Sven Neuhaus)
4. Re: 0.3.7 (Ruediger Kapitza)
5. Re: 0.3.7 (Ruediger Kapitza)
6. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Gianni Johansson)
7. Re: Problems for splitting (Timm Murray)
8. Re: Problems for splitting (Timm Murray)
9. Re: Problems for splitting (Oskar Sandberg)
10. Re: 0.3.7 (Mr.Bad)
11. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Ian Clarke)
12. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Mr.Bad)
13. Re: Freenet Python Lives (Travis Bemann)
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Message: 1
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
From: Mr.Bad <mr....@pigdog.org>
Organization: Pigdog Journal
Date: 04 Feb 2001 14:09:51 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
>>>>> "TC" == Tavin Cole <tavin at mailandnews.com> writes:
TC> Um, how about not clobbering my fucking files, since their
TC> defaults are *NOT* reasonable for me?
How about moving your files out of the way before overwriting them?
TC> The solution is trivial and has already been mentioned several
TC> times today.
OK! Done! We'll put it in 0.3.7.1 or 0.3.8.
~Mr. Bad
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:10:30 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <ta...@mailandnews.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 02:06:34PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > The "killer-app" I've been quietly planning is an editable directory
> > dmoz.org-style. Have to think long and hard about how to integrate the
> > work of multiple maintainers automatically..
>
> That would be cool. You could have a website and allow user input, and
> then publish onto Freenet daily.
>
> I would be willing to donate the domain "ossifer.org" to such an
> endevour if people were interested. It could be developed on
> Sourceforge.
I was thinking of a totally in-Freenet system (where maintainers would
have an SSK space). Somehow the system has to integrate these different
SSK spaces.
Of course there's no harm in having an HTTP server gateway *also*.. that
would be cool.
How does "ossifer" suggest a categorized Freenet directory? ;^p
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// Tavin Cole
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:11:28 +0100
From: Sven Neuhaus <s...@neopoly.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Organization: Neopoly AG
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:00:03PM -0800, Mr . Bad wrote:
> >>>>> "RK" =3D=3D Ruediger Kapitza <rrkapitz at stud.informatik.uni-erlangen=
.de> writes:
> RK> I'm not really sure what you mean but it is possible to run
> RK> the Setup.class on install of an rpm and generate the
> RK> configfiles automatic.
>=20
> Yes, but AFAIK rpms don't respect existing configuration files like
> debs do (one of the reasons people don't like RedHat). So if you're
> upgrading to a new version of a program, RH slams your existing config
> files.
Wrong - RPM supports this.
You can flag a file as config file and if the rpm sees its checksum changed=
=20
since installation, it won't overwrite it, it will write a config.rpmnew=20
instead.
-Sven
--=20
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:39:50 +0100 (CET)
From: Ruediger Kapitza <rrkap...@stud.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On 4 Feb 2001, Mr.Bad wrote:
> TC> What was the problem with .rpms? You can't run post-install
> TC> scripts like you can with .debs?
>
> Nothing's particularly wrong with rpm's. Nobody's written one for
> Freenet yet, is all.
Almost right. Had a posting a week ago. Hopefully tomorrow there is a
script in Freenet/script/ for rpm.
> Well, with the deb, everything goes into /etc/freenet/freenetrc and
> /etc/freenet/fproxyrc. As you probably know, the name of the config
> file for the node is configurable on the command line ("-paramFile
> freenet.conf"), and the paramfile for Fproxy is configurable within
> the param file for the node. So set it to whatever you want!
Could you add the specfile for the deb to cvs so I could compare my paths
etc. for rpm (or post it).
Ruediger
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:39:00 +0100 (CET)
From: Ruediger Kapitza <rrkap...@stud.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Tavin Cole wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:00:03PM -0800, Mr . Bad wrote:
> > >>>>> "RK" == Ruediger Kapitza <rrkapitz at
> > >>>>> stud.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:
> >
> > RK> I'm not really sure what you mean but it is possible to run
> > RK> the Setup.class on install of an rpm and generate the
> > RK> configfiles automatic.
> >
> > Yes, but AFAIK rpms don't respect existing configuration files like
> > debs do (one of the reasons people don't like RedHat). So if you're
> > upgrading to a new version of a program, RH slams your existing config
> > files.
I can only speak for SuSe and rpm: If you like to back some config
files up, you can do that. Normally same dir <file>.rpmsave.
> >
> > With a .deb, the creator of the deb specifies the files that are
> > config files, and those are considered sacred and not stomped on. If
> > the file in the .deb has been upgraded, the admin gets a notification
> > and handles the problem him/herself.
I promise in the second or third version of the freenet.spec file this
will be possible. All you do is execute a shell script which makes
something like 'mail root txt' or ?
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Message: 6
From: Gianni Johansson <giannijohans...@mediaone.net>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:00:07 -0500
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sunday 04 February 2001 16:21, Ian wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:02:19PM -0800, Mr.Bad wrote:
> > OK, are there any simulations of networks around 10^2? Are we worrying
> > about reliability for nothing?
>
> I think that the lack of reliability is due to lack of requests, a few
> weeks ago (shortly after the 0.3.6 release) the network was as healthy
> as it has been for a long time, as there was much activity going on.
Aren't there known bugs which might be affecting routing? eg,
java.io.EOFException: Unexpected end of stream errors.
I see these all the time especially for large files.
I am fuzzy on the details of how bad routes get pruned. Is the occurence
of the above error enough to kill the route? If so, this might be enough to
mess up the network in itself.
Also, I noticed that network performance got worse after Scott fixed the
unbounded connection bug. Is the the tighter constraint on the number
of allowed connections causing routes to be pruned when requests fail
because nodes are (temporarily) busy?
>
> We should really start to think hard about how we can encourage people
> onto Freenet.
Post a public release of Freenet that supports MSK's! I know that this is
happening "any minute now". But it seems like it has been happening any
minute now for weeks.
It is very very very hard to reliabley publish anything into Freenet with the
current system of daily date based redirects.
-- gj
--
Web page inside Freenet:
freenet:KSK at webpages/gj_jump0
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Message: 7
From: "Timm Murray" <ad...@madtimes.com>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:08:39 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
Or the splitting process I used wasn't as clean as we're all assuming. It'd
be if someone who uses an RPM-based distro could test it (I don't, anymore).
NOTE: I did this using a Window's program, though I used the same program
to split Slackware .tar.gz and .deb files without any problems. It was only
the RPM that failed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr.Bad" <mr....@pigdog.org>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
> >>>>> "OS" == Oskar Sandberg <md98-osa at nada.kth.se> writes:
>
> OS> Computers are not voodoo. A file is just series of
> OS> numbers. Please explain how two series of numbers that contain
> OS> exactly the same elements are different...
>
> Hmmm... directory, permissions, owner, group, ACLs... I can think of
> tons of reasons. I don't think any of those things would make rpm
> segfault, but it's possible.
>
> ~Mr. Bad
>
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Message: 8
From: "Timm Murray" <ad...@madtimes.com>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:10:55 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
---- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Roberts" <m...@statesmean.com>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Timm Murray wrote:
>
> > I know it seems weird, but have you tried it? I have a laptop that you
can
> > only put stuff on using floppy disks. I have tried installing many RPMs
on
> > it, but the only ones that fail to load (with a segfault) are the ones I
> > split.
>
> Yes. As I said, hash the recombined data and compare with the hash of the
> original. They WILL differ, most likely because of your defective
> floppies.
I used the same disks for split Slackware .tar.gz and .debs without any
problem.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark J. Roberts" <mjr at statesmean.com>
> > To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Timm Murray wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've said this almost every time file splitting comes up, but
> > > > I'll say it again.
> > > >
> > > > Some types of data do not split well. For instance, RPMs (before
> > > > I found the light of Debian) segfault when I tried to use one
> > > > that I had split. I don't know why, but we should find out before
> > > > splitting becomes mandatory.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. Hash the recombined file and compare with that of the
original.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Roberts
> > > mjr at statesmean.com
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> --
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> mjr at statesmean.com
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:51:39 +0100
From: Oskar Sandberg <md98-...@nada.kth.se>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Problems for splitting
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:08:39PM -0800, Timm Murray wrote:
> Or the splitting process I used wasn't as clean as we're all assuming. It'd
> be if someone who uses an RPM-based distro could test it (I don't, anymore).
>
> NOTE: I did this using a Window's program, though I used the same program
> to split Slackware .tar.gz and .deb files without any problems. It was only
> the RPM that failed.
So your program was fucked up and screwed up some newline or something.
--
'DeCSS would be fine. Where is it?'
'Here,' Montag touched his head.
'Ah,' Granger smiled and nodded.
Oskar Sandberg
md98-osa at nada.kth.se
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Message: 10
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
From: Mr.Bad <mr....@pigdog.org>
Organization: Pigdog Journal
Date: 04 Feb 2001 16:41:02 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
>>>>> "RK" == Ruediger Kapitza <rrkapitz at stud.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
>>>>> writes:
RK> Could you add the specfile for the deb to cvs so I could
RK> compare my paths etc. for rpm (or post it).
There's not a particular specfile for .deb files like (I guess) with
Rpm's. You can get the Debian source at:
http://evan.prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us/freenetdeb/
The paths are as follows:
/etc/freenet/freenetrc - Freenet rc file
/etc/freenet/fproxyrc - FProxy rc file
/etc/freenet/nodes.config - nodes file
/etc/logrotate.d/freenet - Freenet log rotation file
/etc/init.d/freenet - Freenet stop/start script
/usr/share/java/freenet.jar - Freenet jar file
/usr/bin/freenet_insert - insert script
/usr/bin/freenet_retrieve - retrieve script
/usr/bin/freenet_config - config script
/usr/bin/freenet_server - server script (not normally used)
/usr/bin/freenet_server_stop - server script (not normally used)
/var/lib/freenet/store_[port] - store index
/var/lib/freenet/data/[port] - data file directory
/var/lib/freenet/meta/[port] - metadata file directory
/var/lib/freenet/freenet.pid - freenet id file
/var/log/freenet/freenet.log - freenet log file
Normally the Freenet node starts from the init.d script rather than
from freenet_server. Also, it runs as user 'freenet'.
If you're really going to make an RPM, I'll send you a tarball of the
files stored in the .deb, so you can look at them.
~Mr. Bad
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:51:27 -0800
From: Ian Clarke <li...@octayne.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:10:30PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> I was thinking of a totally in-Freenet system (where maintainers would
> have an SSK space). Somehow the system has to integrate these different
> SSK spaces.
> Of course there's no harm in having an HTTP server gateway *also*.. that
> would be cool.
And make submissions rather easy....
> How does "ossifer" suggest a categorized Freenet directory? ;^p
The same way "Yahoo" suggests a categorized web directory ;-P
Ian.
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Message: 12
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
From: Mr.Bad <mr....@pigdog.org>
Organization: Pigdog Journal
Date: 04 Feb 2001 16:50:08 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
>>>>> "IC" == Ian Clarke <lists at octayne.com> writes:
IC> The same way "Yahoo" suggests a categorized web directory ;-P
Yahoo = "Yet Another Hierarchically [Organized|Officious] Oracle"
Remember, Yahoo! was once a "These Are My Cool Links" page run by two
grad students at Stanford. It was an answer to the question, "Why
can't the Web be as easy to use as Gopher?"
~Mr. Bad
P.S. I think they just threw that "Oracle" part at the end because
"Yahod" sounds funny, although maybe it's meant to be evocative of the
well-beloved Usenet Oracle.
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:17:09 -0500
From: Travis Bemann <bem...@bemann.uprizer.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Freenet Python Lives
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 02:25:59PM +0000, Adam Langley wrote:
> Freenet-Python lives. Well, sort of. I don't know about the old
> freenet-python package, but the python interface to wrose is working
> at least. It's still (very) early stages, but it's getting gj_jump0 ok
> at least.
>=20
> This is, of course, a balent attempt to get someone interresting in
> codeing wrose, other than myself. I think it's History saying "Fat
> Chance" in the background ;)
Well, this is good. I've personally haven't gotten much done with my
(and Itamar's) Freenet-Python. It is good to now have a Python
interface to Freenet (so that one does not have to use Java).
--=20
Travis Bemann
Sendmail is still screwed up on my box.
My email address is really bemann at execpc.com.
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