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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Tavin Cole)
2. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Brandon)
3. Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark) (Brandon)
4. Datastore clustering survey (of sorts) (Scott G. Miller)
5. Re: Datastore clustering survey (of sorts) (Scott G. Miller)
6. libfreenet-0.1.1 (Steven Hazel)
7. Re: libfreenet-0.1.1 (Tavin Cole)
8. Re: libfreenet-0.1.1 (Mark J. Roberts)
9. 0.3.7 - MSK docs? (Sven Neuhaus)
10. Re: 0.3.7 - MSK docs? (Mark J. Roberts)
11. Re: libfreenet-0.1.1 (Mr.Bad)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:46:55 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <ta...@mailandnews.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:44:07PM -0600, Brandon wrote:
>
> > Here's the thinkcash-based flood control:
> > You don't actually tell anybody "thread1" -- instead you encode
> > "thread1" in a way that only a human can read. For example, use
> > a picture with some crazy 3-d text and lighting effects that a
> > person could easily read "thread1" from.
>
> That doesn't require a new keytype then. You should don't give out your
> mailbox except in the hard-to-parse form.
>
> Such a method of address propogation could easily be used with the current
> EOF f-mail system.
Did you guys ever get the anonymous CVS working? If not, will you please
add me to the CVS access list.
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/* tavin cole
* composer of e-mail messages
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:55:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Brandon <bl...@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
> Did you guys ever get the anonymous CVS working?
I think anonymous CVS should be working sometime this week.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:57:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Brandon <bl...@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: Killing Freenet (Re: [freenet-devl] Aardvark)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
> No, it doesn't *require* a new keytype, but IMHO KSKs and SSKs are both
> inappropriate. I like the idea of using an HSK even w/ thinkcash.
I don't see why they're inappropriate.
> In any case I think we need a standardized concept of a public-writeable
> subspace. Making it an SSK and handing out the private key, or making
> it a KSK at somelonghexnumberA7A3A3E3474FA743FE73/docname are both quite
> kludgey IMHO.
I don't see the benefit of a publically writable subspace over a KSK. I
don't see any difference between the two.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:58:10 -0500
To: devl at freenetproject.org
From: "Scott G. Miller" <scgmi...@indiana.edu>
Subject: [freenet-devl] Datastore clustering survey (of sorts)
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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I've written a program to graphically plot the distribution of a
datastore. I'd like to see the results on as many existing Freenet nodes
as possible to see how well the network is clustering. =20
The plotting software is in the experimental CVS tree in
Freenet.contrib.storeplot
I've attached a program called StoreAnonymizer. It takes your datastore
file (store_?????) and outputs only the keys, with all but the most
significant 32 bits zeroed out. This removes the identity of the keys in
your store as well as the references and the keytype. You'll need
freenet.jar or the CVS tree in your classpath. To use it:
java -classpath StoreAnonymizer.jar:freenet.jar:$CLASSPATH=20
Freenet.contrib.storeplot.StoreAnonymizer store_????? > a??????
If you could then send me the a????? file (through mixmaster if your
concerned), I will be able to post a gif to the list with the results, as
well as do some conjecturing.
Scott
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:30:49 -0500
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Datastore clustering survey (of sorts)
From: "Scott G. Miller" <scgmi...@indiana.edu>
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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My bad. I need to dump only entries which the node actually stores the
data for. Attached program fixes this.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 01:58:10AM -0500, Scott G. Miller wrote:
> I've written a program to graphically plot the distribution of a
> datastore. I'd like to see the results on as many existing Freenet nodes
> as possible to see how well the network is clustering. =20
>=20
> The plotting software is in the experimental CVS tree in
> Freenet.contrib.storeplot
>=20
> I've attached a program called StoreAnonymizer. It takes your datastore
> file (store_?????) and outputs only the keys, with all but the most
> significant 32 bits zeroed out. This removes the identity of the keys in
> your store as well as the references and the keytype. You'll need
> freenet.jar or the CVS tree in your classpath. To use it:
>=20
>=20
> java -classpath StoreAnonymizer.jar:freenet.jar:$CLASSPATH=20
> Freenet.contrib.storeplot.StoreAnonymizer store_????? > a??????
>=20
> If you could then send me the a????? file (through mixmaster if your
> concerned), I will be able to post a gif to the list with the results, as
> well as do some conjecturing.
>=20
> Scott
--=20
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Message: 6
To: Freenet Development List <devl at freenetproject.org>
From: Steven Hazel <s...@thalassocracy.org>
Date: 07 Feb 2001 02:11:45 -0600
Subject: [freenet-devl] libfreenet-0.1.1
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
libfreenet-0.1.1 is up at http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/
A direct link, for your convenience:
http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/libfreenet-0.1.1.tar.gz
This is basically a bugfix release, but it comes with considerable
improvements to the build system. It now includes a configure script
generated by autoconf, as well as makefiles for the rijndael and
twofish code, so that "./configure && make" stands a pretty decent
chance of working on Linux systems, and portability issues will be
easier for me to deal with. And hey, it actually puts together
libfreenet.a for you.
Enjoy,
-S
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:21:18 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <ta...@mailandnews.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] libfreenet-0.1.1
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:11:45AM -0600, Steven Hazel wrote:
> libfreenet-0.1.1 is up at http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/
>
> A direct link, for your convenience:
> http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/libfreenet-0.1.1.tar.gz
so what's the CHK, hmmmmmmm?
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/* tavin cole
* composer of e-mail messages
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:42:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark J. Roberts" <m...@statesmean.com>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] libfreenet-0.1.1
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Tavin Cole wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:11:45AM -0600, Steven Hazel wrote:
> > libfreenet-0.1.1 is up at http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/
> >
> > A direct link, for your convenience:
> > http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/libfreenet-0.1.1.tar.gz
>
> so what's the CHK, hmmmmmmm?
freenet:CHK at dDD8hLvl1LKL~YhGpW8RXbPR~44OAwE,SqsLiUEXS7EYf52CyNXp5w
Inserted with what you'd expect.
--
Mark Roberts
mjr at statesmean.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:21:59 +0100
From: Sven Neuhaus <s...@neopoly.com>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Organization: Neopoly AG
Subject: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7 - MSK docs?
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:53:24PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:46:02PM -0500, Gianni Johansson wrote:
> > I want to switch from the old javascript date based redirects to a
> > non-javascript date based redirect to a MSK for my Freenet page, but not
> > until 0.3.7 is ready for the masses.
>
> It was released yesterday.
I think the website is lacking any information about the new MSKs
(correct me if I'm wrong). Could someone do a quick HOWTO on them so
people start using them? I'm too confused myself about what got implemented ;-)
and I didn't save all the mail discussing them.
-Sven
--
It is the wisdom of crocodiles, that shed tears when they would devour.
-- Francis Bacon
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:05:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark J. Roberts" <m...@statesmean.com>
To: <devl at freenetproject.org>
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7 - MSK docs?
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:53:24PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:46:02PM -0500, Gianni Johansson wrote:
> > > I want to switch from the old javascript date based redirects to a
> > > non-javascript date based redirect to a MSK for my Freenet page, but not
> > > until 0.3.7 is ready for the masses.
> >
> > It was released yesterday.
>
> I think the website is lacking any information about the new MSKs
> (correct me if I'm wrong). Could someone do a quick HOWTO on them so
> people start using them? I'm too confused myself about what got implemented
> ;-)
> and I didn't save all the mail discussing them.
You should bother Mr. Bad about finishing freenetmirror. GJ has a client
right now that inserts them, from what I've heard. (This is why we should
put all this crap in CVS somewhere--so we can FIND this stuff.)
I'm going to write one with libfreenet tomorrow. Look for it soon. I'm
even contemplating a more ambitious Freenet-toolkit package, based on
libfreenet, with all sorts of utils. Any volunteers?
Here's an email from The Time Long Before Now, where I discuss the format.
I've modified it in response to a recent change, the addition of the
default=blah field. Also note that MSKs are good for more than Web sites.
I'm using the format for my CHUNGA CVS-like-thingy, with the very cool
side effect that you can transparently have a HTML index. I love that sort
of thing.
MapSpace Keys
=============
A MSK is a superior way to insert a Web site. The key is structured as:
freenet:MSK@[mapkey]//[filename]
[mapkey] is a normally-inserted file under any keytype, and it may be a
redirect. It follows the format:
Mapfile
default=index.html
End
[filename]=[key]
[filename]=[key]
...
For example, a chapter of a book might be inserted as:
Mapfile
default=index.html
End
index.html=CHK at asdf
01.png=CHK at fdsa
02.png=CHK at qwerty
03.png=CHK at hjhgfsd
The default= field may point to any file. It may be omitted, in which case
index.html is implied.
The contents of the mapfile are cached in a hashtable the first time the
mapfile is requested. Subsequent requests for data are thus efficiently
looked up.
However, keys like "freenet:MSK at KSK@pigdogjournal//index.html" are ugly
and hard to type. Two shortcuts were implemented to address this:
1) When the KSK@ is omitted, as is currently allowed, any key with a
double slash is assumed to be a MSK. For example,
"freenet:pigdogjournal//index.html" is a MSK with a mapfile of
"KSK at pigdogjournal", while "freenet:KSK at pigdogjournal//index.html" is a
regular KSK. Considering how few KSKs contain double slashes, I believe
this is an indispensible shortcut.
2) When the filename is omitted, it is assumed to be "index.html",
like a Web server does. We can thus represent the vast majority of MSKs as
keys like "freenet:pigdogjournal//".
When combined with our new automatic SSK date-updating redirects, this
proposal as a whole enables the insertion of updated, guessable, and
simple Web sites. Furthermore, it decreases the thousands of individual
SSK redirects necessary to insert for a large site (like the Pigdog
Journal) to only one. This enables content producers to update their sites
virtually as often as they like, to be accessed through simple URIs.
That's my proposal, that's my implementation, and I'm sticking to it!
--
Mark Roberts
mjr at statesmean.com
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Message: 11
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] libfreenet-0.1.1
From: Mr.Bad <mr....@pigdog.org>
Organization: Pigdog Journal
Date: 07 Feb 2001 03:35:13 -0800
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
>>>>> "SH" == Steven Hazel <sah at thalassocracy.org> writes:
SH> libfreenet-0.1.1 is up at http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/
Is it your birthday again ALREADY?
~Mr. Bad
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