-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01.05 16/08/2002 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 08:49:00AM +0200, Marco A. Calamari wrote: >> Do you remember my post about preserving 0.3 till 0.4 >> was stable enough to preserve contents > >0.3 has been "preserved" - you can download it at: >http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/freenet/freenet-0.3.9.2.tar.gz
OK, you can download the software there, as you can access the whole old 0.3 site here http://www.firenze.linux.it/~marcoc/lang/en because, obviously, I was more interested than other in "preserving" 0.3 In fact there is normally no need to preserve a GPL released software, so this is non-relevant >> Do you remember that one year ago I was stressing >> the concept that killing 0.3 was a bad service for=20 >> people using it, and that *there was* people using it ? > >0.3 wasn't "killed", we simply shifted our development focus to 0.4 when=20 >it was recognized that we needed to make some significant changes to=20 >move forward. Frankly, I would be pleased to hear something more relevant from you; if the term "killed" hurts, I can easily switch to a more polite phrasing, but the fact remains. You strongly and repeatedly requested all node ops to switch to 0.4, saying that a stable release were few weeks in the future. Fact 1) 0.4 was by far more secure and complete respect 0.3 Fact 2) because of much more simpler design, 0.3 worked flawlessly and had an incredibly big user base, that *use* it. Fact 3) 0.4 never reached such a kind of stability. Fact 4) one more year passed Fact 5) 0.4 is (on the drawing board) better than ever (I really think so) but is still not functional for users Obviously your opinion was very important for all of us; me too was unsure of my opinion, and decided to continue on both direction, so I have direct experience (as publisher) of both version fro outside U.S., were Freenet perform worse. result 1) Freenet 0.4 lost credibility for node operator, user and general public, and reached the status of vaporware. result 2) the node number, contents and user base shrink by an order of magnitude; in Italy, for example, the number of 0.3 & 0.4 permanent nodes pass from 7 to 2. result 3) no new user join neither of the Freenet *except* from few organization (2 in my knowledge) that *need* Freenet and *use 0.3* The contents of the support list demonstrate this. >As the Chinese have demonstrated, those who, for some reason, wish to=20 >use 0.3, are still free to do-so. "Monsier de la Palisse est mort devant Pavie ...." Be serious, this is absolutely trivial and non-relevant. My point is still that Freenet 0.3 was shut down without any consideration for users, because you want to transform users of a working system in beta tester of a better, non-working, one. This was not a casual decision, but a deliberate one. This can be a reasonable decision *a priori" "A posteriori" maybe we can agree that was a mistake. And it was not a casual decision, but a logical consequence of the way the developing of Freenet was and is done; as a software project that is restricted, not one that is released to the general public, and has (...er had) a big user base. I still have the best opinion of you and all core developers, and I continue to consider your work a great thing. So, there is something different that we can do, apart from pessimistic consideration at Defcon ? Maybe some change to the strategy of deployment ? For example (just my 2 cent) 0) stop the development to solve this non-software problem 1) drop immediately the datastore from the development version, introducing an option to choose between datastore an native filesystem. 2) re-introduce 0.3, or a stripped-down 0.4 (if feasible) to the general public use, encouraging the use of it with the same intensity that was used to discourage it in the past. 3) merge watchme & 0.4 to have a real testing network ...or any other action that can change the path that Freenet is following, that can drop Freenet from the Internet and put in the history of the Internet. Sorry for my rudeness. I dedicate most of my spare time being a Freenet evangelist (I'm still a java illiterate) and cannot accept that Freenet became history. Have a good day. Marco - -- + il Progetto Freenet - segui il coniglio bianco + * the Freenet Project - follow the white rabbit * * Marco A. Calamari marcoc at dada.it www.marcoc.it * * PGP RSA: ED84 3839 6C4D 3FFE 389F 209E 3128 5698 * + DSS/DH: 8F3E 5BAE 906F B416 9242 1C10 8661 24A9 BFCE 822B + -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQCVAwUBPV4QQolqHjrHnYhBAQHEyQQAhkBkatBrUSkKb7JjFpIOMC2pp4TJ4FLK gWKTeItNXnowHEK/NaeU135GMlYpK6TI3KtACqcuwxlN50WBK/jf3ob/pbnpYSZG +nyS+5gugmxSyVN92T0aWvjMbRGMvrs18PsXB7Jo8jlY+GV6msPS4+vG9+Rujp3+ H2hyolHRNDA= =EvQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ devl mailing list devl at freenetproject.org http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
