On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:01:39PM +0000, Simon Porter wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 18:52, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 06:50:44PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > > What QOS does the internet have in general? We need simply to have
> > > > enough local bandwidth, enough of a buffer, enough parallel requests and
> > > > enough redundancy.
> > > 
> > > Assuming this isn't a rhetorical question - the only guarantee that the 
> > > Internet makes at the IP layer is that your packet will probably reach 
> > > its destination soon after you send it, and it probably won't be 
> > > corrupted.
> > > 
> > > > What exactly about it is unreasonable? Non-broadband nodes are generally
> > > > worthless.
> > > 
> > > Well, many broadband connections can only upload at 20kbytes/sec, so for 
> > > a 40kbyte/sec stream you need two of them, irrespective of how you are 
> > > streaming.
> > 40kBYTE per second?! Um, even with a factor of two overhead, that's
> > enough for a video stream never mind an audio one. Besides my broadband
> > has 1024/256kbps for ~ $50/mo... 256 upload is not _that_ uncommon.
> 
> Here in the UK 256 is standard across all broadband packages. It is only
> the downstream speed that varies between packages.
Heh. I _am_ in the UK :).

Most DSL packages maybe, but the cheaper of the cable deals is only
512/128.
> 
> > > 
> > > > NIO should help a lot [with load], and will be a primary focus of 
> > > > 0.5.2. 
> > > > What ClientInfo patch?
> > > 
> > > I was given the impression that NIO would be a massive undertaking.  you 
> > > don't think so?
> > We shall see.
> > > 
> > > Ian.
> > > 
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> > > 
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> Simon Porter <hailstormxp at fairadsl.co.uk>
> 
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