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On Wednesday 31 December 1969 07:00 pm, jrandom wrote:
> 'lo. Well, as I'm sure most of you have noticed, TFE is DNFing at the
> moment, and while I think we have a good set of starting links, its kind
> of frustrating to new users to click on the first link after installing
> freenet and get DNFs. I'm sure TFE will be back shortly (I hope!), but
> in the meantime, maybe we should consider more seriously the discussions
> of how to customize the fproxy homepage links.
>
> There were some discussions about this on IIP / freenode, and its pretty
> much the same issue as the bootstrapping problem - how do we get people
> their seed nodes and their seed bookmarks? Ian mentioned how it'd be
> good if we could reduce Freenet Project Inc.'s liability as "promoting"
> these bookmarks, and while I'm sure we can all think up really good ways
> to deal with the bootstrapping problem, I think we need something that
> can work in the short term.
How about a plugin architecture? Then someone could write a search plugin
from, eg, The Tower's XML data dump.
> What I'm proposing is something a few people have already proposed - make
> the fproxy homepage links user configurable by storing them in a
> configuration file - aka fproxyBookmarks.conf:
>
> SSK at rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//;The Freedom Engine;Oldest living
> Freenet portal SSK at Pqb7VI1DhPl1kaB0p4-CJyFfUUcPAgM/TII//;The Index
> Index;Index of freenet entry points
> SSK at -w495UL3mfSlWC2c~nRAuG2fAWwPAgM/TFEE//;The Tower (TFEE);Categorized
> automatically generated index with Google-like page ranking
> SSK at Sc6qV~D6iFhaYord6HtbjJ8MaEYPAgM/YoYo//;YoYo;Categorized freenet index
Java includes XML support - why not use that? e.g.:
<fproxy>
<bookmark uri="SSK at rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//" title="The
Freedom
Engine">
Oldest living Freenet portal
</bookmark>
<!-- ... -->
</fproxy>
Admittedly, this is a trivial usage, but eventually all configuration settings
could be integrated into a single XML document.
> In addition, we add the ability to pull down the "latest" default
> fproxyBookmarks.conf from hawk, just as we pull down the "latest" default
> seednodes.ref. This would be done in the ant build script and as a command
> line util.
Pull it off freenet - supply a hardcoded default set and if it isn't
overridden in the config file download a SSK@ with the latest list. IE,
there'd be three sources:
* Hardcoded in the source - like now
* SSK@
* User-supplied
In addition, the user could supply additional bookmarks and continue to use
the reccommended ones from hawk (or wherever)
> What does this get us? It lets us adapt the default fproxy links for new
> users without having to release yet another version that only contains
> changes to the hard coded bookmarks in one file. It also lets users
> configure their own homepage. This could be implemented by end of day
> (though I'm not saying what timezone ;)
>
> What this doesn't do is deal with the long term issues of "how do we
> propogate links without depending on big index sites?" or "how do we
> remove any of Freenet Project Inc.'s liability for the default sites?".
> This is a short term fix that will help us get by until we solve those
> issues, including the soon to be /.-swamped 0.5.1 release.
Well, if freenet was more reliable, we wouldn't need big index sites *ducks*
> Hopefully TFE comes back ASAP. Thats what I think everyone wants. But
> the unforseeable always happens, and this will let Freenet adapt more
> easily if/when another of the main page sites gets unreachable.
>
> Thoughts? Is there another simpler solution, should we work out the
> long term Right Way, or should we just ignore it and hope TFE comes
> back soon?
Use freenet's own distributed nature to download the latest 'recommended'
list, validate the links in the background and delete the ones that DNF.
Retest at intervals so when it comes back up it'll be added again.
User-initiated requests should also validate links.
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