1. Most people who reach the downloads page apparently don't download the installer. - Is there a technical problem? - Is it simply that the installer is cached by web proxies?
2. A lot of people are downloading Freenet 0.7 3. Very few of them are seeking references on #freenet-refs. - Link to some IRC clients? Many people don't know what IRC is! - Opennet? - Alternate forums for getting references (i.e. fake opennet). [16:13] <nextgens> Whah! [16:13] <nextgens> unbelivable [16:13] <nextgens> something must be wrong [16:13] <nextgens> grep selfextractpack.jar access.log |cut -d- -f 1|sort |uniq |wc -l [16:13] --> DukeThor_ has joined this channel. (n=DukeThor at 69.170.79.174) [16:13] <nextgens> 109 [16:13] <nextgens> from 29/Jun/2006:00:00:01 to 29/Jun/2006:15:12:03 [16:14] <nextgens> meaning that 109 people have tried to start the installer in less than 15hours [16:14] <nextgens> ... [16:14] <nextgens> something *is* seriously wrong [16:15] <nextgens> I doubt that most of them have succeed installing it [16:15] <nextgens> the network isn't expanding that fast [16:15] <nextgens> or they are very quiet [16:15] * nextgens asks google how many hits it has counted today [16:16] <DukeThor_> I just installed about 15 minutes ago. It took a little while, but it eventually installed. [16:16] <nextgens> we had 549 people on /downloads.php today [16:17] <nextgens> it's possible that 1/5 of them have clicked on the installation link [16:17] <nextgens> DukeThor_: do you have any suggestion on how to improve the install process ? [16:17] * nextgens thinks he should do a survey [16:19] <DukeThor_> Me, no. [16:19] <nextgens> when you say it took a little while, what did ? [16:20] <nextgens> the installer itself ? [16:20] <nextgens> you figuring out what to do ? [16:20] <nextgens> the speed of our mirrors ? [16:20] * nextgens is working on the "next generation" of the installer, that's why I'm a bit curious [16:21] <DukeThor_> Yeah. it seemed to hang occasionally. Could've been the mirrors, but also could've been my connection. [[16:24] <DukeThor_> If there is any sort of "problem", I'd guess it's adding nodes. [16:25] <nextgens> you think the current procedure it to complex ? [16:26] <nextgens> what matters ? finding your node's reference ? [16:26] <nextgens> finding people to connect to ? [16:26] <nextgens> exchanging the reference itself ? [16:26] <DukeThor_> Finding people to connect to. [16:27] <nextgens> ^-^ [16:27] <nextgens> unfortunatly we aren't planning to simplify that part for now [16:28] <DukeThor_> Finding your own reference and the actual exchange is fine, once you actually RTFM :) , it's just a matter of finding someone you "trust" [16:29] <nextgens> well, if we were simplifying that part, your node would find and choose trusted people on its own ... [16:29] <nextgens> I'm not sure that it's better ;) [16:29] <DukeThor_> Personally, there is only one other person that would use this that I personally know and trust, and that person is on vacation ATM. [16:30] <nextgens> the important part is to know what for you"re trusting people/your links [16:30] <nextgens> if you trust them not to be a government/bad guys that's often enough [16:31] <nextgens> you're free to decide what trust level you require for peers willing to connect to your node [16:34] <DukeThor_> Ok. The next issue is finding those people. The refs channel is quiet. [16:36] <nextgens> the problem is probably that most people in there already have enough references and aren't actively searching for new ones [16:36] <nextgens> DukeThor_: do you have one to start with ? [16:37] <DukeThor_> I have one right now. Looks like someone new. [17:42] <Tritman> nextgens, I observed your discussion a few moments ago with DukeThor_ concerning the stats of googleanalytics [17:42] <Tritman> on the download page of freenet. You've seens 500 connection today, 119 download but [17:42] <Tritman> it seems there is less nodes created. In my opinion, I think that the problem is : [17:43] <Tritman> - all the 'newbies' do not know IRC, it would be interesting to have a link to mirc, chatzilla, or equivalent [17:43] <Tritman> - when people exchanged keys, they don't know what to do then, a link to the Frost page could be relevant to have more explanation on the best way of using Freenet [17:43] <Tritman> finally, and in my opinion, I find that the current installation is correct. [17:43] <nextgens> we need to work on easing the connection process, we all agree on that [17:44] <Tritman> it is my experience feedback -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20060701/ad89f8aa/attachment.pgp>
