An interesting IRC log...
[00:04] <haypo> no fuzzing. i just want to try freenet [00:04] <haypo> it's a little bit faster than two years ago [00:41] <toad_> <haypo> it's a little bit faster than two years ago [00:41] <toad_> woooh! [00:41] <toad_> :) [00:53] <Kiit> toad_, good work, btw. Things seem to be much more smooth and fast than they were last time I tried freenet. [00:53] <toad_> Kiit: two people telling me things have improved in an hour? there's something going on here... you must be an impostor! [00:54] <Kiit> I've actually been able to download things within a few hours of starting up my node. [00:54] <toad_> thanks anyway :) [00:54] <toad_> Kiit: did you ever use 0.5? [00:54] * Kiit goes off to donate some money. [00:54] <Kiit> Yes [00:54] <toad_> Kiit: it had a long "assimilation" period... [00:54] <Kiit> Quite. [00:54] <toad_> Kiit: you have darknet peers? or #freenet-refs refs? [00:55] <Kiit> #freenet-refs so far, afaik. [00:55] <toad_> if you happen to know a few people who are well established, that will help a lot [00:55] <toad_> really? and it's still faster than 0.5? cool [00:55] <Kiit> I expect so. I'm planning on exchanging refs over frost in a bit. [00:55] <Kiit> Well, 0.5 varied alot speedwise for me. [00:56] <toad_> 0.7 will too, it depends on the file [00:56] <cbrannon> toad_: that was my experience too. I was downloading with reasonable speed, as soon as I got a few peers. Much more quickly than 0.5. [00:56] <toad_> cbrannon: yeah... [00:56] <Kiit> There were a few versions that I could pull things quicker than what I'm experiencing at the moment, but overall, it was slower and less reliable than right now. [00:57] <toad_> cbrannon: opennet may well be better than 0.5's opennet was in terms of assimilation speed... but it's probably necessary for other reasons (network topology issues) [00:57] * toad_ will post this conversation to devl :) [00:59] <Kiit> Granted, this is all subjective.... :) [01:00] <toad_> yeah, it's certainly true that if you know several folk already on freenet you can get a fast and secure connection quickly [01:00] <toad_> the problem is 99% of our new users come from slashdot etc [01:00] <toad_> and don't know anyone on freenet [01:01] <toad_> organic growth doesn't happen enough to offset the 80% of users who come, find that they have to use IRC to get refs, conclude that it is both too much hassle and insecure, and go away [01:01] <toad_> of course they're right about it being insecure... [01:02] <cbrannon> The refbots were pretty good. There were at least 3 in #freenet-refs when I started, so getting onto the network was fairly trivial. [01:02] <toad_> hmmm interesting [01:03] <cbrannon> It's just not hard to type "/msg refbot addref blabla" [01:03] <toad_> true [01:03] <toad_> but you have to register first [01:03] <toad_> with nickserv [01:03] <toad_> 99% of people don't know and won't do it even if they do know [01:03] <toad_> for much the same reason: it is intuitively insecure [01:04] <cbrannon> My policy was to add many peers quickly. Security in numbers? [01:05] <toad_> not really [01:05] <Kiit> It would be interesting to modify the refbots so that they used #freenet-refs to grab "tier 2" peers and then when one had enough, use frost w/ encryption to get "tier 1" peers. [01:05] <toad_> but there is speed in numbers :) [01:05] <toad_> tier 2? [01:06] <Kiit> tier 2 being arguably less secure irc-obtained auto-peers [01:07] <cbrannon> Heh, can you really ever trust an opennet at all, anyway? [01:07] <Kiit> this is based on the document "How to exchange node refs more securely" @ http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK at 8b7wZHMx1ACXjVRRc00RigvNpCGKN3atbtcPb5rlksY,~HFub4S23G5GYltu53XRexzbos7vLX7tG0GxjRJmFKg,AQACAAE/refXchgHOWTO/2/ [01:07] <cbrannon> Because somewhere, you need a central server, don't you? And that server could be attacked. [01:08] <toad_> cbrannon: can you trust #freenet-refs? [01:08] <toad_> there is a central server (network) [01:09] <cbrannon> toad_: nope. [01:09] <toad_> *.freenode.net [01:10] <cbrannon> That's true. You really can't trust anyone that you don't know offline -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20070518/fd15ceb4/attachment.pgp>
