> Hi Jerome,
>
> On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jerome Velociter wrote:
>>>>> Dear devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> In XWS 1.0, I've tried to make the product work with every skin we
>>>>> package
>>>>> with XE, in addition to XWS own skin ("workspaces"). For this, I
>>>>> placed
>>>>> several velocity files in the templates/ folder of the product
>>>>> webapp, for
>>>>> them to be available for every skin (for example, workspace.vm
>>>>> which is
>>>>> use as a "defaultTemplate" for workspaces home pages, or
>>>>> xwsmacros.vm
>>>>> which hold workspaces macros). I realized recently it's not proper
>>>>> solution, as it does alter a directory which is supposed to be
>>>>> common for
>>>>> every products, and it makes it harder to install properly XWS over
>>>>> an
>>>>> existing XE, or sharing XWS and XE instances in a XEM context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put simple, I could not find a nice way of having both :
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) XWS not being intrusive in the webapp, apart from its skin
>>>>> 2) Workspaces work with every skin
>>>>>
>>>>> As for now, I consider 1) being more important than 2), and I see
>>>>> more use
>>>>> cases for it. So for XWS 1.1, I will remove the overriding
>>>>> templates/
>>>>> folder by moving its velocity files in the workspaces skin. This
>>>>> will then
>>>>> break point 2).
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any other solutions to reconcile both points I didn't
>>>>> see ?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Template Extensions (proposal pending, 30% written already).
>>>> However, it will take some time until that will be coded, so it is
>>>> something for the future. For now, I'd stick with the altered
>>>> /templates/ directory.
>>>
>>> That currently doesn't work with 1.4...
>>
>> You refer to the hardcoded macros.vm lookup by the new velocity
>> engine ?
>> If so you suggested the ant task that would append xws macros to
>> /templates/macros.vm at build time, but I must admit I don't like it
>> since
>> it would make installing XWS manually even harder.
>> What if we would be able to define foldback paths for filesystem
>> skins ?
>> Could that be a functionality of the SkinManager component you are
>> writing, or this has nothing to do ?
>
> I'm not implementing a SkinManager, it needs a lot of other components
> first before it's possible (including the new model). I think that
> would go in the TemplateManager and not in the SkinManager though.
>
> Right now the velocity renderer code creates one Velocity Engine per
> skin and adds templates/macros.vm + skin/<skinname>/macros.vm as
> global velocimacros.
>
> We don't currently have a place to let skins define the list of all
> their velocimacros.
>
> I don't understand why it's a problem to append your macros during the
> build to the templates/macros.vm file on the fly? The user will always
> have the already built file...

Just for the wild ones willing to install XWS over an existing XE or XEM
webapp :) You are right, even those will have the built file, but they
will need to erase their own one (which they have possibly modified).

> You could also maybe use the velocity import feature to have several
> files if you prefer
> (http://www.jajakarta.org/velocity/velocity-1.2/docs/user-guide.html#Include
> )

Yes, that sound better.

>
> That said, one other solution, while waiting for a proper
> TemplateManager would be to add configuration options to the
> VelocityEngine component so that you can configure a list of
> velocimacro templates instead of hardcoding it (which isn't nice
> anyway). That should be quite easy to do. However the only problem is
> that I need to know how you can override the default config during the
> XWS build. Right now I haven't written the configuration component yet
> so our config is in components.xml. I'm sure there's a way but I need
> to ask how to do it.
>
> Let's talk about this today together. I can whip up something pretty
> quickly if needed.

Ok, thanks a lot.

Jerome.

>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
>>>
>>>>> For the future, I suppose we could use UI extensions for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jérôme.
>>>>>
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